Hi there! Can somebody please get me off of this mailing list??? Majordomo says that
I do not exist...
By the way, GLADE ROCKS!!
-Edgar
On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:00:42 Damon Chaplin wrote:
> Rene' Seindal wrote:
> >
> > Damon Chaplin wrote:
> > >
> > > Rene' Seindal wrote:
> > > > I had to search a bit too, as I have always used the accelerator page
> > > > quite a bit. It would be nice if such changes were debated or at least
> > > > announced on the list before being made. At least we would be warned
> > > > instead of just seeing things dissappear from the interface. You too
> > > > would *know* whether people used it, instead of just doubting it.
> > >
> > > What are you using it for? I thought keyboard accelerators would only be
> > > useful for things like menus and underlined accelerator keys, and these
> > > are handled automatically by Glade.
> >
> > There are several places where underlined accelerators are of no use.
> > One is for accelerators that are not a part of the label. In one place
> > I have a row in a table with a label "File:", an entry and a button
> > "Browse". I want Alt-F to click the browse button. How do I do that
> > with underlined accelerator keys? I could just use Alt-B, right? No,
> > because I could have ten "Browse" buttons for different entries. Then
> > I could change the labels of the buttons to make them distinct, say
> > "Browse files", "Browse photographies", but that is going the clutter up
> > the interface and waste valuable display real estate (I sometimes work
> > on a 800x600 laptop, so that is an issue). Therefore I need to be able
> > to make an accelerator key for a letter not in the label text.
> >
> > Also, I often use Escape as an accelerator for a "Cancel" button. This
> > cannot be done with underlined accelerators. I might want up-arrow
> > attached to an "Up" button and the like. Not all accelerator keys are
> > printable.
> >
> > Finally, I sometimes have buttons with just an image or a photograph
> > inside, so there isn't even a label to apply the underlined accelerators
> > to. I still want some shortcut for the button.
>
> OK. These are fairly good reasons. Though I might be tempted to use a
> key_press handler on the toplevel window for these.
>
>
> > > > A suggestion: since the dialog is not connected to the currently
> > > > selected widget, it shouldn't be on a page dedicated to the selected
> > > > widget. I think the right place is on the menu in the projects window
> > > > where you can open the tree view etc.
> > >
> > > It is connected to the selected widget. Try adding an accelerator and
> > > then selecting another widget.
> >
> > The dialog is not associated with a specific widget, but the displayed
> > content is obviously. Just like the property dialog that stays up but
> > changes contents. If I open the dialog, it shows the accelerators for
> > the currently selected widget. Fine. If I now select another widget,
> > the contents of the dialog changes, but the dialog is still the same.
> > Therefore the dialog, or the window if you prefer, is not permanently
> > connected to the widget selected when it is launched, and logically the
> > dialog shouldn't be launched from a part of the interface, that is
> > connected to a specific selected widget. Logically the accelerator
> > dialog is just like the property dialog, so it should be launched the
> > same way, from the "View" menu.
>
> I understand what you mean now. But I'm not sure it deserves a place in the
> main menu.
>
>
> > I actually found it quite handy to have the signals and the accelerators
> > pages just side by side, since I tended to add them simultaneously. Now
> > it is a bit more complicated and I have to use more mouse clicks to
> > achieve the same.
> >
> > I appreciate your desire to simplify the interface, but please do not
> > make simplifications or reductions of functionality based on doubts or
> > beliefs. You have your users within the reach of an email. Just drop a
> > note of your plans and ideas, and you are sure to get all the feedback
> > you can desire. If you doubt a facility is used, just ask your users if
> > they use it. Then you'll know, which is infinitely better than
> > believing or imagining something.
>
> I did say a few times I wanted to change the property editor so it only
> had two pages - Properties & Signals, like Delphi. This was just a first
> step.
>
> Damon
>
>
>
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