Hi Gnangarra, These are exactly the kinds of stories that we hope to collect as part of the survey: as part of the Structured Data on Commons project, Sandra and I plan to work with the community to revisit our documentation, workflows and tools for GLAM uploads, so that we can be reliable and consistent partners with these institutions.
I, personally, have been reluctant to promote batch upload processes with institutions, because our community processes often either bite the institution or we prove to be quite demanding partners (both of which are not really entirely in good faith on our part). However, the benefits for both institution and our community of these kinds of projects are also unimaginably positive: and most of the projects, as far as we can tell, don't get bitten as Beat notes. With Structured Data Coming down the pipeline, we have a chance to revisit our tactics, and firm up a better practice :D So please share both the challenging and easy projects. Cheers, Alex On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Gnangarra <[email protected]> wrote: > Well its hard to provide links to images that have been deleted, > > Fremantle Society photographed every building many of the heritage listed > in Fremantle in the 1970's, approxiamately 2000 images the original OTRS > permission was accepted and a volunteer from the Society started the long > process of digitizing the collection and uploading. Part way through the > process Commons change policy frm allowing the uploader to quote the > original OTRS Ticket to requiring every uploaded image to be subject to > review of an OTRS. 2 years into this effort an OTRS agent decide that the > permission wasnt sufficient and demanded that we seek out every > photographer who participated in the original process 40 years ago sign a > new agreement this is despite explaining to the person that the Fremantle > Society is the owner and copyright holder of the photographs as Australian > Copyright Act of 1968. Since over half of the photographers are now > deceased we were unable to comply this term after helping the Society > recover copies of all the images they were deleted. I endeavoured to > contact all OTRS admins listed at Meta not one would respond, there is no > oversight or review process for OTRS agents that individuals can use. > > There are many other incidents similar to this but those of us working > with GLAMs choose not to put our hand up about these incidents because we > know that other GLAM donations we have participated in will be targeted. > Out of respect to other users who contacted me during this idiocy I wont > publically idenitfy them or their projects because of the potential for > greater damage > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Fremantle_ > Society_Photographic_Survey > > On 11 October 2017 at 20:49, Estermann Beat <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Gnangarra, >> >> >> >> This is an interesting and (at least to me) surprising claim: >> >> “most GLAM image donations get deleted about 2 years after they were >> uploaded” >> >> >> >> Is there data to back it up? – Some of the image uploads I am aware of >> are listed here: >> >> https://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/baglama2/ >> >> None of them seems to have suffered the fate you are invoking… >> >> >> >> Would you mind providing a list of larger image uploads that got deleted >> several months after the first 100-200 pictures were uploaded? – If you >> could provide the reasons given for the deletions that would be helpful too. >> >> >> >> Please don’t spam this mailing list by long messages; just provide a link >> to an on-wiki list of the projects you are having in mind. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Beat >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* GLAM [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of * >> Gnangarra >> *Sent:* Mittwoch, 11. Oktober 2017 14:41 >> *To:* Wikimedia & GLAM collaboration [Public] >> *Subject:* Re: [GLAM] survey for GLAMs about batch uploads to Wikimedia >> Commons >> >> >> >> why run a survey on the upload process and tools when we know most GLAM >> image donations get deleted about 2 years after they were uploaded for >> idiotic reasonings by individuals who hide on OTRS with no way to get >> review of the decisions taken despite previous OTRS agents accepting the >> permission. >> >> >> >> On 11 October 2017 at 20:19, Fæ <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On 11 October 2017 at 08:50, Sandra Fauconnier >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hello everyone! >> > >> > The Wikimedia Foundation has created a survey for people involved in >> GLAM >> > (Galleries, Libraries, Archives, Museums) media upload projects to >> Wikimedia >> > Commons. Please consider filling out the survey, if you are currently >> > participating in a GLAM batch upload project, or have participated in >> one in >> > the past! And we very much appreciate it if you forward this message to >> > colleagues/partners. >> > >> > Here it is: https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_7WDA2RZvPDuaV7f >> > >> > Completing the survey takes 10-15 minutes. >> > >> > The survey results will be used to understand how the Wikimedia >> Foundation >> > can improve its support for batch uploads to Commons - in the project >> > Structured Data for Wikimedia Commons, and beyond. We are interested in >> > learning more about the media collections that are donated, the tools >> people >> > use to prepare and upload files, and the overall experience of donating >> > media from GLAM organizations to Wikimedia Commons. >> > >> > The survey data will be collected and stored under the terms of WMF's >> survey >> > privacy statement. A summary of the results will be made public when the >> > survey is concluded, so that we can all learn from it! >> > >> > We hope to receive responses from Wikimedia community members and staff >> at >> > very diverse organizations - geographically, in terms of size and focus! >> > Thank you :-) >> > >> > Many greetings! Sandra >> > >> > -- >> > Sandra Fauconnier >> > Community Liaison for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons, Wikimedia >> > Foundation >> > [email protected] >> >> FYI, the link to the "GLAM Donation Survey Privacy Statement" does not >> work. Secondly the link from the "GLAM Donation Survey Privacy >> Statement" document to the Qualtrics privacy statement (which legally >> should override statements on the WMF site) does not work either. I >> note that the Qualtrics website usage terms apply by default, which >> means that Qualtrics are free to use all of the survey's data in >> anonymized and/or aggregated format for any later business purpose >> they wish, which is not quite as limited as the WMF statement about >> anonymized data. >> >> Thanks, >> Fae >> -- >> [email protected] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae >> >> _______________________________________________ >> GLAM mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> GN. >> >> WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra >> Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com >> [image: Image removed by sender.] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> GLAM mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam >> >> > > > -- > GN. > > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > > > _______________________________________________ > GLAM mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam > > -- Alex Stinson GLAM-Wiki Strategist Wikimedia Foundation Twitter:@glamwiki/@sadads Learn more about how the communities behind Wikipedia, Wikidata and other Wikimedia projects partner with cultural heritage organizations: http://glamwiki.org
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