James, these were avoidable issues. Had anyone reviewed the timetable with me, or asked for my assistance, based on my experience as the primary user of GWT, I would have suggested how to avoid these foreseeable potholes.
Fae On 12 May 2015 21:56, "James Heald" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Brian, > > Yes, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98734 was one of the requests; > others were https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98744 and > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98733 > > These all related to a two-day workshop session organised at the British > Library, at significant expense to the BL, to get to grips with GlamWiki > Toolset. > > The aim on day 1 was to introduce the capabilities of the GWT, Commons, > categories etc; and then on day 2 to practically work through some sample > image sets. > > It was a learning experience for us on the Wikimedia side as well, but one > of the very clear messages of the day is the whole set of processes that > need to be gone through before one can get started with the GWT appear to > be needlessly convoluted, obstructionist and time-wasting. > > > GWT is supposed to be the preferred path for GLAMs to upload their > content, with maximum metadata capture and reliability. > > For a major GLAM like the British Library, it ought to be a complete > triviality for the head of their Labs group to get their main domain > whitelisted. (And actually, even for the smallest minor GLAM while we're > on the subject). The song-and-dance they got put through is utterly > pointless and self-defeating. > > By the end of the second day of the workshop, their main domain > *.bl.uk had still not been whitelisted, because somebody took it upon > themselves to quibble about the quality of some of the images in a test set. > > The domain acms.sl.nsw.gov.au for a visiting participant from the State > Library of New South Wales was only cleared at 4pm in the afternoon, as the > workshop was closing -- after quibbling about the metadata > > Luckily the domain www.jacar.go.jp for some Japanese prints was cleared > in time, so there was at least one dataset that the tool could actually be > used on (rather than what should have been five). Even that was only > because some passing admin had over-ruled an initial quibble. > > > Apparently: > * getting a domain approved requires the main system config file to be > changed. > * this can only take effect at 4pm or midnight BST > * requests will only be considered on San Francisco time > * any request will get at least one gratuitous knock back. > > > This is simply not good enough. When the whole of Flickr is wide-open for > use by the GW upload tool, this obstructionism is absurd. > > We had five very experienced Commons users in the room today, all of them > in good standing with thousands of uploads to their name, and none of them > could do anything to move the process forward. > > > This ought to be reviewed urgently, and the GWT whitelist should be > divorced from the central system config files as soon as possible, and > instead be placed somewhere where any admin can update it with immediate > effect, without any of the runaround on Phabricator, which for the GLAM > people trying to learn how to do things for themselves at the workshop > yesterday and today was an utterly confusing and unnecessary extra > complexity. > > And the next time somebody asks for content upload to be made possible > from one of the great libraries in the world, please everyone let's not > waste people's time with petty quibbling. > > -- James. > > > On 12/05/2015 20:06, Brian Wolff wrote: > >> On May 12, 2015 6:36 AM, "Ally Crockford" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Training is progressing well here at the BL, and there are several >>> >> curators with XML files who would like to test uploads on Beta but are >> still waiting to have the requested domains whitelisted. >> >>> >>> The requests have been logged on Phabricator - I was wondering if there's >>> >> anyone on the list and currently awake/available to approve the >> whitelisting? >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ally >>> ---- >>> >>> Dr Ally Crockford >>> E-mail: [email protected] >>> Departmental Profile >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Would that be https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98734 ? There was a >> comment by Dereckson that nobody has responded to. >> >> --bawolff >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Glamtools mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glamtools >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Glamtools mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glamtools >
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