On 06/08/2025 09:43, James Tobin via GLLUG wrote:

Meant to reply to @Polarian:

I have been in England and tried multiple operators with appalling reception. I can use either of my two/foreign/numbers in the UK—both picking up one of the same networks as my UK number—and get crystal-clear reception in the same location. Something is clearly amiss with the UK telco infrastructure.

One thing to take into consideration is that there aren't that many networks, but there are a lot of branded resellers who piggyback off the big companies  like Smarty, iD Mobile, Lebara, Asda Mobile, Talkmobile and Voxi who piggyback off Vodafone / Three.

So really, there is only O2/Virgin, Vodafone/Three and EE/BT underneath everything. Ironic that BT sold off O2 to Telefonica, which was then bought by Virgin, for them to then buy EE, which was originally owned by Deutsche Telekom and France Télécom, which is a smaller company, having sold off the ability to add cell towers for free to all the telephone exchanges around the country as part of the O2 sale.

Also the current state of the rollout of 5G vs the turning off of older technologies means that in quite a few places the bandwidth is compromised between advertising 5G but not having the bandwidth, and the older technologies not having the speed, so your phone may show it is connected to a 5G network, but as soon as a call arrives, the cell has to pass off the call to a 3G or 4G cell as it doesn't have the capacity.

So my guess is that the telcos can make more money from your oversea provider by prioritising the call over newer technology, while their own contracts are usually already paid for in bundled offers so doesn't matter what the call quality is.

Lastly, I have noticed that the UK telcos like WiFi calling as it saves them infrastructure costs, but they do not seem to make any allowances for dodgy wifi / Internet connectivity. I have often had to disable it somewhere where there was decent coverage via the mobile network, but the call would go over wifi by default.

So you're not wrong, but I am not sure it is for the reasons you think it is.

Cheers,

Marco
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