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From: Don Libby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:31:48 PM
Subject: [Global Change: 2737] Re: Climate MAYDAY - Emergency -- As "Coal to 
Liquid Fuel" Backers Move to Push for Production Simultaneously in China, India 
and the USA


From: John Fernbach
Newsgroups: gmane.science.general.global-change
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:21 PM
Subject: [Global Change: 2736] Re: Climate MAYDAY - Emergency -- As "Coal to 
Liquid Fuel" Backers Move to Push for Production Simultaneously in China, 
India and the USA

>>When CO2 emission reduction becomes
>>the law of the land, the to-liquid industry coal-will have to comply.

>And we're supposedly to rely on this hope of "working hard to get 
>appropriate
>legislation passed" so as to force the coal-to-liquid fuel industry to
>control its CO2 emissions, after the industry has come into existence?
><...>
> How long does the conventional wisdom say it will be before
>effectively regulation of the
>new "synthetic fuel" or coal to liquid fuel industry might
>become law?

Many observers believe the US will have federal carbon emission laws in the 
next year or two.
Some are trying to put CO2 emission limits on the coal-to-liquids industry 
from the start by making
it a condition for federal start-up funding.  For example, see
http://www.boucher.house.gov/images/stories/Boucher/ctl%202007.pdf

And how would you expect to control this industry's emissions, or whether it 
"comes
into existence", if not by the passage and enforcement of laws?  Apparently 
you think
converting coal to liquid fuel is a problem, so what do you propose to do 
about it?

-dl

Having worked a little as a journalist on an industry compliance manual, trying 
to track EPA's enforcement of one fairly obscure anti-pollution law, I'd say 
that mobilizing to stop the industry in its tracks before it's developed would 
provide a much better chance of controlling its CO2 emissions than attempting 
to regulate it afterwards.
From what I can tell, the United States today doesn't even regulate the strip 
mining industry very well, despite enactment of the relevant regulatory 
legislation --  the Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act, or SMRCRA -- 
back in 1977.    
To touch on another environmental law that doesn't bear on coal mining 
directly, the Toxic Substances Control Act, TSCA (Pron. "Tosca") was enacted in 
1978 and among other things required that the EPA and the chemical industry 
determine the toxicity/environmental effects of all the synthetic chemicals 
commonly used in commerce in the US.  By the late 1980s, ten years after TSCA's 
passage, there were an estimated 75,000 synthetic chemicals that TSCA should 
have been covering, and decent research on toxicity had been done for less than 
half of them -- I think the number actually was less than 25%.
This suggests to me that it's almost unimaginable that we'll be able to impose 
effect environmental controls on a national coal-to-liquid fuels industry, if 
one emerges in this country.  And while we're waiting for the Messiah to come 
and require CO2 sequestration by the synthetic fuel producers -- assuming that 
CO2 sequestration proves technically feasible -- this industry is almost surely 
going to be pouring its carbon emissions into the atmosphere -- at least if 
it's cheaper to do this than it would be to control said carbon emissions.
Again, though -- if I'm wrong about this, and overly pessimistic about the 
vigor of Congressional environmental oversight and EPA pollution regulation, 
please let me know why I'm wrong. 
Or maybe the synthetic fuels industry will voluntarily agree to impose costly 
CO2 capture systems on itself, out of corporate good citizenship?????
I'm hardly any kind of expert on coal-to-liquid fuels, but Jeff Goodell, in 
"Big Coal," portrays them as a bad idea, and I believe Al Gore has called the 
idea of developing this new industry "insane."







      
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