Is this a new approach? People have been saying for many years that the climate record is characterised by change - indeed by abrupt change - rather than stability. What record warming? 2010 is in striking distance of 1998 and rapidly cooling - it seems doubtful that there will be any statistically significant difference. The monthly peak is clearly and emphatically still in early 1998 -ENSO related warming.
Until natural variability is understood - particularly the connection of ENSO and clouds in decadal timescales (see for instance http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=19136615) there is little prospect of understanding anthropogenic climate risk. Mere evidence by scientists? This is one I have just read on decadal surface solar variability - http://www.leif.org/EOS/2008JD011470.pdf. And if you have a look at both the ISCCP-FD and ERBE SW(up) datasets - there is clearly a decrease in reflected SW (less cloud) from the 1980's to the 1990's. You are holding fast to ideas that are 100 years old. It seems very much like new information doesn't challenge these ideas at all - it seems very much like cognitive dissonance. On Nov 2, 5:33 am, Tom Adams <[email protected]> wrote: > It's becoming fashionable among deniers to attribute climate change > to natural causes like continued interglacial warming, rather than > to outright deny climate change. So, record warming, etc. will not > convince them. I am not sure there is anyone left to be convinced > by mere evidence of climate change predicted by climate scientist. > The remaining deniers may all be going to this new approach to denial. > > On Oct 27, 11:06 am, Eric Swanson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So, Alastair, I take it you agree that there is no basis for the claim > > that the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico has caused a reduction in > > the Gulf Stream and the THC. Of course, there is more to it. Notice > > this quote from the Wiki article to which you linked: > > > "In January 2010, the Gulf Stream briefly connected with the West > > Greenland Current after fluctuating for a few weeks due to an extreme > > negative phase of the Arctic oscillation, temporarily diverting it > > west of Greenland." > > > I suppose you folks in Britain has an enjoyable winter last year. I > > saw a nice photographic composite showing the home isles covered with > > snow. The folks in southern Greenland had record high temperatures > > while you guys were freezing your butts. How many more such winters > > would be required to convince folks that the Earth's climate is > > changing? Just yesterday, the US experienced a storm with the lowest > > reported surface pressure over an inland area. No worries, bro, it's > > just another cycle in the weather... > > > E. S. > > --------------------------------------------------- > > On Oct 27, 6:03 am, Alastair <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Oct 27, 9:05 am, Eric Swanson <[email protected]> wrote: > > [cut] > > > > The Morth Atlantic leg of the THC. or MOC (meridional overturning > > > circulation), is being monitored by the National Oceanography Centre > > > at Southampton University at great expense to British > > > taxpayers.http://www.noc.soton.ac.uk/rapid/rw/ > > > AFAIAA they have not reported any RECENT slowing, although it is > > > possible that they are reticent to report what might be a second false > > > alarm.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shutdown_of_thermohaline_circulation#Bry... > > > > Cheers, Alastair.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Global Change ("globalchange") newsgroup. Global Change is a public, moderated venue for discussion of science, technology, economics and policy dimensions of global environmental change. Posts will be admitted to the list if and only if any moderator finds the submission to be constructive and/or interesting, on topic, and not gratuitously rude. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/globalchange
