lifted so high I though we'd flip! A few people have ridden in a Coupe which, during this yaw motion, lifted the up-wind wing quite a ways -- and that ride is scary. Ten or twenty years ago, the majority of Coupes were sitting on their landing gear with the tails drooping low. Some of this was caused by aging and compressed rubber donuts in the gear (or by old Belleville springs). On many planes, this was worsened by replacing the original nose gear single-fork with a later designed (and slightly longer) double-fork.
We didn't think much of it, at first. But it was realized that this on-the-ground position gives the wings more angle of attack that was designed into the plane. Bill Coons of Lombard, Ill., went to an FAA engineer in Chicago and got shims approved for the landing gear and he passed the technique around the club. Added into the shock absorber stack, the shims return the on-the-ground attitude of the Coupe to the designed angle of attack in spite of compressed rubber gear donuts, aging springs, or a longer nose gear fork. Subsequently much of the fleet has gotten maintenance and/or shims as needed to raise the tails on the ground to the designed 75 inches and no-lift angle of attack. With the tail at the right height, the Coupe's crosswind landing behavior is the best in the industry, bar none. Question: How high a X-wind can a coupe handle? Like most planes, pilots report having landed in crosswinds much higher than the demonstrated crosswind component. Some Coupe pilots say they don't think twice about 30 kt. direct crosswind component, others claim to have done even higher crosswinds. In practice, many Coupe owners are comfortable flying in crosswinds that keep them on the ground if they were flying most other light planes. Smart pilots first work their way up to the demonstrated croswind component listed in their owners manual. First they get fully competent at that level, and only then experiment as their own skill and equipment allow. Be sure your tail is at or very near regulation height of 75 inches for good crosswind behavior (see detailed discussion below). Ed Burkhead http://edburkhead.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: John Jameson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 8:46 AM To: Ercoupe Hangar Flying Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Hangar Flying ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- merry ERCOUPE xmas everyone!!!! my question is that a 415c coupe i am flying has a little bit of a low tail (63 inches). i haven't got around to putting spacers in to raise the tail. it flies and lands great. the "squirrley" landing characteristics of a low tail are supposed to be on crosswind landings. can someone describe what i might be in for in a crosswind landing with this low tail?.... thanks jm jameson? ========================================================================== == == To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm ========================================================================== ==== To 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