I apologize. I normally tend to try to be much more eloquent with my
debates.
I woke up this morning to learn that the CentOS 6.4 rollout broke all my
end-user stations (yes, I have to do automatic updates. I just don't
have time to review every package and do everything else I need to do
all by my self). Put 200 employees without computers on my shoulders and
I tend to stress a little until it's resolved.
I took a pot shot and it was uncalled for.
Please forgive me.
On 03/11/2013 12:10 PM, Rodrigo Severo wrote:
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Joe Julian <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Which is why we don't run Rodigux
Oh Joe, that remark sounds rather inappropriate to me.
Apparently we disagree on more levels that just kernel and
applications compatibility policies.
Regards,
Rodrigo Severo
On 03/11/2013 12:02 PM, Rodrigo Severo wrote:
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Bryan Whitehead
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
This is clearly something Linus should support (forcing ext4
fix). There is an ethos Linus always champions and that is
*never* break userspace. NEVER. Clearly this ext4 change has
broken userspace. GlusterFS is not in the kernel at all and
this change has broken it.
Apparently one year after the change having made into the kernel
you believe this argument is still relevant. I don't, really don't.
Rodrigo Severo
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Rodrigo Severo
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
If you prefer to say that Linus recent statement isn't
pertinent to Gluster x ext4 issue (as I do), or that ext4
developers are being hypocritical/ignoring Linus
orientation (as you do) or anything similar isn't really
relevant any more.
This argument could have been important in March 2012,
the month the ext4 change as applied. Today, March 2013,
or Gluster devs decides to assume it's incompatible with
ext4 and states it clearly in it's installations and
migration documentation, or fixes it's current issues
with ext4. No matter what is done, it should have been
done months ago.
Regards,
Rodrigo Severo
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:49 PM, John Mark Walker
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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I know where this statement came from. I believe
you are both:
* trying to apply some statement on a context
it's not pertinent to and
No, it's actually quite applicable. I'm aware of the
context of that statement by Linus, and it applies to
this case. Kernel devs, at least the ext4
maintainers, are being hypocritical.
There were a few exchanges between Ted T'so and
Avati, among other people, on gluster-devel. I highly
recommend you read them:
http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gluster-devel/2013-02/msg00050.html
* fouling yourself and/or others arguing that
this issue will/should be fixed in the kernel.
This is probably true. I'm *this* close to declaring
that, at least for the Gluster community, ext4 is
considered harmful. There's a reason Red Hat started
pushing XFS over ext4 a few years ago.
And Red Hat isn't alone here.
The ext4 hash size change was applied in the
kernel an year ago. I don't believe it will be
undone. Gluster developers could argue that this
change was hard on them, and that it shouldn't be
backported to Enterprise kernels but after one
year not having fixed it is on Gluster
developers. Arguing otherwise seems rather
foolish to me.
I think that's a legitimate argument to make. This is
a conversation that is worth taking up on
gluster-devel. But I'm not sure what can be done
about it, seeing as how the ext4 maintainers are not
likely to make the change.
Frankly, dropping ext4 as an FS we can recommend
solves a lot of headaches.
-JM
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