Peyman Yamin wrote:
On Monday 27 October 2008 14:08, Mark Abraham wrote:
Peyman Yamin wrote:
Dear GMX users,

I want to add sodium ions (Na+) to a phospholipid (DPPG) I have the
structure with the Na replaced with O.
That doesn't make sense to me.

I get a .top with this from prodrg and try to
add the Na manually at the right place by removing the corresponding O. I
use GROMOS 96.1 forcefield. GMX version 3.3.1. I have a problem:


* In .top file, as far as I can understand, I should just replace OA with
NA+ and set the mass and charge.
DPPG has a centre:  [ O-P(O)=O ] -
The Na+ should be around this with +1 charge.
should I put charge +1 ?

* which parameters should I place in the top as the Na+ is not bonding. I
need LJ and Coulomb params. I have C6 and C12 them from ffG43a1nb.itp.
(NA+ OA) but I'm not sure where should I put it in the top file. What
should I insert manually in top file at all?
Sodium is not going to form any bond. It's a labile ion, so needs its
own [ molecule ] section. The easiest approach is to construct a
topology for the anion, and then use genion to add suitable amounts of
Na+ afterwards. Check out some tutorial material for the approach here.

Right, but can't I have them all included in a single top??
What shall I put into the topology of the cation then? I have a single DPPG molecule in water/octanol. So I thought I might just embed the Na inside the DPPG top. in the end DPPG HAS a Na actually, though non-bonded!


Alright, now I understand. So you will have several different topologies to deal with. You don't need to merge DPPG/Na+ into one! You have separate topologies for water and octanol, too, don't you? You could use the topology from PRODRG as dppg.itp, for example, and construct a .top that has the following:

#include "ffG43a1.itp"
#include "dppg.itp"
#include "spc.itp"
#include "octanol.itp"
#include "ions.itp"

[ molecules ]
DPPG    x
SOL     y
OCT     z
NA+     1

All bonded and non-bonded parameters will then be read from the appropriate force field files, without merging anything!

-Justin

If I'm way away from making sense then would be happy to know the logical way. about genion I thought it's mainly for adding the ions to the solvent, but I should have exactly one Na.
Be well,
Peyman


Mark
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