Chansoo Kim wrote:
Dear Justin:


Please call me, 'chance'. I have been doing neutron scattering and MD on water. Thank you again for this conversation with you, Justin.

Right now, I am trying to do polymer simulation to mimic an interaction with a plasma.
To do so, I am targeting PE system.

Related to the my question related to the [Error] and [Question #1],

     [Error]
     When I did run the pdb2gmx, I got the following error.
     "Atom -C2 not found in residue PEth1 while adding hydrogens"


You can't specify a previous residue (designated by -) from the first residue in a chain. Hence why I suggested what I did before about special terminal residues. See the post I just sent about functioning .rtp and .hdb entries, they worked for me.

-Justin

     [Question #1]
     Therefore, what I should define more...?

I cannot avoid to ask you this question again!

As I emailed you, since I corrected error related to "blank" in the input files (pdb and etc.), it has never given me "segmentation fault."
The only error that the gromacs gives me is the above one.

Even though I am following your suggestion in the previous email, I want to clarify the above problem.

Do you have any idea on this...?

Thank you again!!


Sincerely yours,

Chance


(PS) The "chemical reaction", which I wrote in the second email, is my mistake. I did not mean "chemical reaction"... And I appreciate that you pointed it out.



On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Justin A. Lemkul <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



    Chansoo Kim wrote:

        Dear Justin:


        Thank you for your reply.
        I was too urgent, so I did not clarify my questions.
        Sorry about that.

        I totally understand how topology files (tdb, hdb, and etc..)
        work, but I do not clearly understand chemical reaction, which I
        have to define in those files...


    No chemical reactions occur :)  See comments embedded below



        [Situation]
        I want to do simulate polyethylene (PE) using Gromacs and
        OPLS-AA force field...

        [Topology files and etc]
         (1) rtp file

        [ Eth ]
         [ atoms ]
          C1    opls_136    -0.120    1
          H11   opls_140     0.060    1
          H12   opls_140     0.060    1
          C2    opls_136    -0.120    2
          H21   opls_140     0.060    2
          H22   opls_140     0.060    2
         [ bonds ]
          C1    H11
          C1    H12
          C1    C2
          C2    H21
          C2    H22
          C2    +C1


         (2) hdb file
        Eth     2
        2       6       H1       C1      C2     +C1
        2       6       H2       C2      C1     -C2


         (3) -c.tdb file

        [ Eth ]
        [ replace ]
        C1      opls_135        12.011  -0.18
        [ add ]
        3        4      H1      C1      C2
                opls_140       1.008   0.06
        [ delete ]
        H21
        H22


         (4) -n.tdb file

        [ Eth ]
        [ replace ]
        C2      opls_135        12.011   -0.18
        [ add ]
        3        4      H2      C2      C1
                opls_140       1.008   0.06
        [ delete ]
        H21
        H22


    Note that the message you referenced in your first post (which
    provided you with this .rtp entry) resulted in a segmentation fault,
    therefore indicating that it probably won't work.



          (5) input pdb file

        ATOM 1 C1 Eth 1 1.000 1.540 0.000

        ATOM      2  C2  Eth     1       2.456   2.041   0.000
        ATOM      3  C1  Eth     2       2.456   3.581   0.000
        ATOM      4  C2  Eth     2       3.912   4.083   0.000
        ATOM      5  C1  Eth     3       3.912   5.623   0.000
        ATOM      6  C2  Eth     3       5.368   6.124   0.000
        END


        [Error]
        When I did run the pdb2gmx, I got the following error.
        "Atom -C not found in residue PEth1 while adding hydrogens"

        [Question #1 and #2]
        Therefore, what I should define more...?
        What does the "+" and "-" mean here?


    + means next residue, - means previous.




        [If...]
        If I change the hdb file as follows,

        Eth     2
        2       6       H1       C1      C2     C1
        2       6       H2       C2      C1     C2


        After doing pdb2gmx, I got only 12 H-atoms (which means my
        terminal did NOT work...).
        And those positions are all (0, 0, 0).


    Right, because H positioning in a polymer chain may depend on
    previous (-) or subsequent (+) residues, so the code doesn't know
    where to put them.


        Following is the results,

        LE     Giving Russians Opium May Alter Current Situation
        MODEL        1
        ATOM      1  C1  PEt     1       1.000   0.000   0.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM      2  H11 PEt     1       0.000   0.000   0.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM      3  H12 PEt     1       0.000   0.000   0.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM      4  C2  PEt     1       2.450   6.000   1.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM      5  H21 PEt     1       0.000   0.000   0.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM      6  H22 PEt     1       0.000   0.000   0.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM      7  C1  PEt     2       2.450   6.000   1.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM      8  H11 PEt     2       0.000   0.000   0.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM      9  H12 PEt     2       0.000   0.000   0.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM     10  C2  PEt     2       3.910   2.000   3.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM     11  H21 PEt     2       0.000   0.000   0.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM     12  H22 PEt     2       0.000   0.000   0.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM     13  C1  PEt     3       3.910   2.000   3.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM     14  H11 PEt     3       0.000   0.000   0.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM     15  H12 PEt     3       0.000   0.000   0.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM     16  C2  PEt     3       5.360   8.000   4.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM     17  H21 PEt     3       0.000   0.000   0.000  1.00  0.00
        ATOM     18  H22 PEt     3       0.000   0.000   0.000  1.00  0.00
        TER
        ENDMDL

        [Question #3 from If... section ]
        I guess that I have to change hdb and tdb files.
        Would you please give some guide on that...?


    Knowing that many people have tried to define PE with .tdb entries
    (and I think success is limited), I would suggest the following.
     Define distinct .rtp entries for the caps of your chain.  Don't
    bother with -n.tdb and -c.tdb; I don't know how well the Gromacs
    code handles non-protein termini (maybe it works, but it seems to
    give fits for polymers).  The .rtp entry for PE you've shown above
    seems reasonable enough for a PE monomer within the chain, but may
    require some tweaking (since I've never tried, I don't know).

    -Justin

        Thank you for your care!


        Sincerely yours,

        C Kim

        On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Justin A. Lemkul
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:



           Chansoo Kim wrote:

               Dear Dr. Benkova and others:


               I am C. Kim and trying to simulation polymer system.

               Since I guessed that polyethylene (PE) is a simple system, it
               could be not that hard to simulate it in Gromacs.
               Trying to do, I have read Dr. Benkova's articles in gmx-users
               mailing list to tackle my problems.
               Sorry to say, I could not solve problems, so I am asking
        your help!

               Actually I have used your files written in followings,

http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg12204.html

               [Q1]
               After getting the result from the pdb2gmx, I could not
        see any
               H-atoms in my system.
               All the H-atoms have 0, 0, 0 positions!
               Therefore, my question is
                 how I should define hdb?


           The .hdb file format is explained in the manual.



               [Q2]
               When I use -C2, and +C1 in hdb file, I always meet error.


           What is the error?

           -Justin

               Is there any other things to add to the ffopls*.* files...?

               Thank you for your care!


               Sincerely
               C. Kim


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