Justin:

Thank you very much! It worked and everything seems reasonable now.

Regards,

Tengfei

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When I run grompp using all your files, I get a series of errors:

ERROR 1 [file topol.top, line 60]:
  No default Bond types


ERROR 2 [file topol.top, line 144]:
  No default Angle types


ERROR 3 [file topol.top, line 190]:
  No default Ryckaert-Bell. types


ERROR 4 [file topol.top, line 191]:
  No default Ryckaert-Bell. types

How did you deal with these? The first refers to the OT-HO bond, for which there is no known bond type, and the rest are a result of the same problematic atom types.

I think you have the carboxylate oxygen types wrong. The carbonyl O should be opls_269, and the acid O (in the -OH functional group) should be opls_268. These atom types are taken from the ASPH .rtp entry. If you switch them, the errors go away and the structure produced seems reasonable.

-Justin

Tengfei Luo wrote:
Here it is:

title = acid
cpp = /usr/bin/cpp ; the c pre-processor
define = -DFLEXIBLE ; use flexible water model
constraints = none
integrator = steep
dt = 0.002 ; ps !
nsteps = 400
nstlist = 10
ns_type = grid
rlist = 0.9
coulombtype = PME
rcoulomb = 0.9
rvdw = 0.9
fourierspacing = 0.12
fourier_nx = 0
fourier_ny = 0
fourier_nz = 0
pme_order = 4
ewald_rtol = 1e-5
optimize_fft = yes
;
; Energy minimizing stuff
;
emtol = 1000.0
emstep = 0.01


Thank you again!

Tengfei

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Tengfei Luo wrote:
Justin:

Thank you for your help!

Yes, the OH bond length changed before and after minimization. and yes, the H get close to the carbonyl O in the COOH group. I did the minimization with solvent.

I appreciate any further suggestion!

Can you post your .mdp file? I have never seen any instability in OPLS -COOH groups like you've described.

-Justin


Tengfei

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Tengfei Luo wrote:
Dear All:

I'm new to Gromacs. I want to simulate water disolve in fatty acid (C-C-COOH) using a all atom model. I started up with constructing the pdb file of decanoic acid. Following the post by Justin http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2009-March/040125.html I added the [Eth] and [EthB] part into the ffoplsaa.rtp file. I also added the following [COOH] section into this file

; cooh
[ COOH ]
 [ atoms ]
   C1    opls_136    -0.120    1
   H11   opls_140     0.060    1
   H12   opls_140     0.060    1
   C2    opls_267     0.52     2
   O     opls_268    -0.530    2
   OT    opls_269    -0.44     2
   HO    opls_270     0.45     2
 [ bonds ]
   C1    -C2
   C1    H11
   C1    H12
   C1    C2
   C2    O
   C2    OT
   OT    HO
 [ impropers ]
   C1  OT C2  O   improper_O_C_X_Y

The following lines are also added to the .hdb file inaddition to those suggested in the aformentioned link

COOH   2
2      6      H1     C1     C2     -C2
1      2      HO     OT     C2     C1

My pdb file is

ATOM      1  C1  EthB    1       1.000   1.540   0.000
ATOM      2  C2  EthB    1       2.456   2.041   0.000
ATOM      3  C1  Eth     2       2.456   3.581   0.000
ATOM      4  C2  Eth     2       3.912   4.083   0.000
ATOM      5  C1  COOH    3       3.912   5.623   0.000
ATOM      6  C2  COOH    3       5.368   6.124   0.000
ATOM      7  O   COOH    3       6.800   6.124   0.000
ATOM      8  OT  COOH    3       5.300   7.600   0.000
END

I successfully constructed the .top file using pdb2gmx. However, when doing minimization, I found that the H attached to the O get too close to this O atom. I notice that there is no bond between these two atoms in the top file (a part of the top file is attached as follow):


Does the bond length change somehow? Or does the H get close to the carbonyl oxygen in the -COOH group? Are you doing the minimization in vacuo? If so, the strong (condensed-phase) charges that you have assigned may be inappropriate in the absence of solvent, which will screen electrostatic effects.

<snip>

The topology looks reasonable.

Do you see what is wrong with my approach? I also know there is -ter which can replace the end with COOH, but how can I construct the termini to be replace at the first place?


The -ter option does not function for non-protein compounds, as stated in the thread you cite.

-Justin

I tried to make myself as clear as possible and make the email short. I shall appreciate any help or suggestion.

Sincerely,

Tengfei

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