On 21/01/2012 12:04 AM, Kiwoong Kim wrote:

Hi,


Please do keep the discussion on the list, so others can learn and contribute now and from the archives.

I don't know how to model N2 molecule yet.

If I use virtual site for N2 model, then, this can be done like below.

Hence, where do I have to apply plus charge for making N2 neutral??

Can it be D1 and D2 for plus charge??


Why are you creating two dummy atoms? Your earlier post implied two negatively charged N atoms and a single (axial) positively-charged massless dummy atom would be an adequate model. The two N atoms have a bond or constraint between them, and the dummy atom is a type 2 virtual site half-way between them. IIRC this should be the same for linear rigid CO2, except that there the central particle has mass and charge.

Mark

Thx.

[ atomtypes ]

; type mass charge ptype sigma epsilon

D1 14.00674 0.0000 A 0.0000 0.00000000

D2 14.00674 0.0000 A 0.0000 0.00000000

N 0.0000000 -0.4048 V 0.332 0.3026

[ moleculetype ]
  ; name  nrexcl
  N2         2
[ atoms ]
  ;   nr  type    resnr   residu  atom    cgnr    charge        mass
  1       D1       1       N2    D1       1        0.0000  14.00674
  2       D2       1       N2    D2       1        0.0000  14.00674
  3       N        1       N2    N        1       -0.4048  0.0000000
  4       N        1       N2    N        1       -0.4048  0.0000000
[ constraints ]
  ;  ai  aj funct           c0           c1
  1       2     1          0.1098
[ virtualsites2]
  ;  ai    aj    ak       funct   c0      c1
       3     1     2       1       -0.5
       4     1     2       1        0.5
[ exclusions ]
3 4
4 3
Below is the previous post message
On 20/01/2012 5:51 PM, Kiwoong Kim wrote:

    Hi,

    I asked this question before.
    Thanks to Justin, he did reply as follows.

    Kiwoong Kim wrote:

         Hi,

         I'm getting better to use Gromacs owing to many posts on this sites :) 
.

         I have several questions about adding the counter-ions.


         My system has a number of N2 molecules which has charge,
         -0.40484(for single N) X 2.

         Thus, I have to add some counter-ions to make the system neutral.


         However, because I'm newbie on Gromacs, I thought of several
         clumsy ways myself.

         #1. Add virtual sites (virtual atoms) which has counter-ions like 
below.

         [ atomtypes ]
         ; name  mass   charge  ptype  sigma  epsilon
         DUM     0        0.80968 V    0.0    0.0


         I set the coordinates of each virtual DUM atoms to the center of
         N2 molecules.

         #2. using genion in Gromacs.


         But, I have no idea on this. What molecules do I have to designate
         to charge plus ion using genion ??

         I typed below line.

         genion -s md_0_1.tpr -n index.ndx -o ton_genion.pdb -g
         md_0_1_genion.log -p topol_genion.top -np 322 -pname dum -pq 0.80968

         and selected N2 molecules which is diffusing particle.


         It results that the name of half of N2 molecules is changed as
         DUM. (maybe the system become neutral)

         The number of N2 molecules should be fixed.

         Do I have additional N2 molecule for charging using genion?? Then,
         what are the initial coordinates???

         please help me....

         any advises would be helpful.


    How can I do that??? I see no reason why you should do either. For
    dinitrogen, which has no net dipole, it seems intuitive to me that
    both N atoms should have zero charge.

    -Justin

    I made linear rigid model (CO2) by introducing virtual interaction. 
However, I
    have troubles in modelling N2 molecules.
    I want to model N2 with quadrupole moment according to the paper (Adsorption
    (2007) 13: 469-476).
    In the paper, the charge N2 model (originally developed by Murthy et al. 
(1980)
    can be described as follows.
    N (-0.40484), Dummy (N2, +0.80968).

Right... that's totally different from N2 with charged N atoms :)


    Actually, I don't know how to model N2 molecules with dummy. Please let me 
know
    any advises.

Sounds like virtual site type 2 is perfect - and didn't you already use that for CO2? See section 4.7 and somewhere in chapter 5.
Mark


    Thx. Have a great day. :)






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