On 12/02/2012 9:22 AM, Tom wrote:
Dear Mark and Gromacs Users,
Can you be more specific in explanation about improper dihedral of charmm in gromacs? For opls aa, it is very clear that every item of improper dihedral angle is described once
on the *rtp file.
I am quite confused about the one in the charmm.
Ihe same angle is sometimes described twice despite of the difference in the atoms' sequence.

Like I said last time, different sequence of the same four atoms means an interaction on a different angle. See manual 4.2.11 and figure referenced there.

Suposed for an unkown molecule, how to assign them on rtp file?

Working by analogy with those of functional groups in existing .rtp definitions would be a good start. Find a similar moiety, write out the connectivity and improper definitions and see what is being done.

Can you give some introduction or show somewhere that has the document?
Gromacs menu does not document about this.

What documentation exists is probably in either the original CHARMM27 force field files (download from web) or the papers that described the development (references in GROMACS manual). OPLS/AA apparently works differently, for some reason.

Mark

Thanks for advance!
Tom


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    Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:15:04 +1100
    From: Mark Abraham <[email protected]
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    On 11/02/2012 9:54 AM, Tom wrote:
    > Dear Gromacs Users
    > I am confused about definition of improper dihedral angle in
    charmm27,
    > which is compared to oplsaa.
    > Why charmm ff in gromacs give *double* items for the same
    dihedral angle.
    > e.g.  for charmm27 ASN
    >         CG      ND2     CB      OD1
    > CG      CB      ND2     OD1
    >         ND2     CG      HD21    HD22
    > ND2     CG      HD22    HD21

    These are not duplicates. Atom ordering is significant. These
    *improper*
    dihedral angles are enforcing planarity of the amide moiety. This is
    done by influencing dihedral angles along intra-atom vectors where
    there
    is no bond. OPLS/AA is working differently somehow.

    Mark

    > in opls aa for ASN
    >     CG    CB    CA     C     dih_ASN_chi1_C_C_C_CO
    >     CA    CB    CG   ND2     dih_ASN_chi2_C_C_CO_N
    > Thanks for advance!
    > Tom
    > PS:
    > the detail is as follows
    > ------------------------------------------------
    > *in charmm27.ff/aminoacids.rtp*
    > [ ASN ]
    >  [ atoms ]
    >         N       NH1     -0.47   0
    >         HN      H       0.31    1
    >         CA      CT1     0.07    2
    >         HA      HB      0.09    3
    >         CB      CT2     -0.18   4
    >         HB1     HA      0.09    5
    >         HB2     HA      0.09    6
    >         CG      CC      0.55    7
    >         OD1     O       -0.55   8
    >         ND2     NH2     -0.62   9
    >         HD21    H       0.32    10
    >         HD22    H       0.30    11
    >         C       C       0.51    12
    >         O       O       -0.51   13
    >  [ bonds ]
    >         CB      CA
    >         CG      CB
    >         ND2     CG
    >         N       HN
    >         N       CA
    >         C       CA
    >         C       +N
    >         CA      HA
    >         CB      HB1
    >         CB      HB2
    >         ND2     HD21
    >         ND2     HD22
    >         C       O
    >         CG      OD1
    >  [ impropers ]
    >         N       -C      CA      HN
    >         C       CA      +N      O
    >         CG      ND2     CB      OD1
    >         CG      CB      ND2     OD1
    >         ND2     CG      HD21    HD22
    >         ND2     CG      HD22    HD21
    >  [ cmap ]
    >         -C      N       CA      C       +N
    > -------------------------------------------
    > in*oplsaa.ff/aminoacids.rtp*
    > [ ASN ]
    >  [ atoms ]
    >      N    opls_238   -0.500     0
    >      H    opls_241    0.300     0
    >     CA    opls_224B   0.140     1
    >     HA    opls_140    0.060     1
    >     CB    opls_136   -0.120     2
    >    HB1    opls_140    0.060     2
    >    HB2    opls_140    0.060     2
    >     CG    opls_235    0.500     3
    >    OD1    opls_236   -0.500     3
    >    ND2    opls_237   -0.760     4
    >   HD21    opls_240    0.380     4
    >   HD22    opls_240    0.380     4
    >      C    opls_235    0.500     5
    >      O    opls_236   -0.500     5
    >  [ bonds ]
    >      N     H
    >      N    CA
    >     CA    HA
    >     CA    CB
    >     CA     C
    >     CB   HB1
    >     CB   HB2
    >     CB    CG
    >     CG   OD1
    >     CG   ND2
    >    ND2  HD21
    >    ND2  HD22
    >      C     O
    >     -C     N
    >  [ dihedrals ] ; override some with residue-specific ones
    >      N    CA    CB    CG     dih_ASN_chi1_N_C_C_C
    >     CG    CB    CA     C     dih_ASN_chi1_C_C_C_CO
    >     CA    CB    CG   ND2     dih_ASN_chi2_C_C_CO_N
    >
    >

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