Patrick, I don't know the situation, and frankly I don't care. You've said nothing on this list that is inflamitory, however, you've said a TON that is off topic.
If you have a concern with Freenode or PDPC you should address them directly. Paul O'Malley is a Freenode staff member, yes, but this is NOT a Freenode list, regardless of who posts to it. I repsectfully ask you to take your complaint up with PDPC or Freenode and stop mass mailing off topic (and because half was said privately) and confusing threads on a very project specific list. Thanks, Kevin On 5/31/07, Patrick Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Precautious first statement: the motivation to try to discuss a serious problem on this mailing list is not a negative one. I dont aim to cause trouble nor do I plan to deface a person. And in my culture it is something positive if somebody tries to have a controversial debate. People who feel like I am trolling should enlarge their point of view, before they make assumptions about the motivations of people. Second statement: In my first mails I addressed Paul O'Malley and this mailing list, because he is part of the Freenode Staff Team on the one side, and on the other side I see that gNewSense has strong philosophy and ethics regarding multiple topics that affect our society. This posting here I do as a reply to my private conversation with Chris Andrew. He asked me to take it back to the list, because other people might benefit from this debate. My origin question for Chris was: I would be curious to have a feedback from people like you, regarding my mailing list posting about the privacy issues on Freenode IRC. And I would like to know what you personally think about such conflict situations, where conflict management obviously fails, because people in a moderating role have colliding personal interests. And his reply was: Should people want to use "open source" (as in intelligence tools available to the public) tools, such as Google searches, then they will be able to put together a profile of me. Whilst this is of some concern, I feel that it is a risk that can be managed. The GNU/Linux community would struggle to progress without IRC and email, so I feel that people should be careful with the information they give out, but carry-out a risk analysis to assess whether the risk can be offset against the benefits that the masses can gain from "more-free" software, and the inherent security benefits that this software delivers. Now back to my points: I think Chris Andrew makes a very good point that privacy is a complex topic and that you leave traces everywhere when you use the Internet. Some communities dedicate a lot of time for projects, articles and other interesting material on these topics. Ironically, some of these projects that aim to improve privacy on the Internet are using Freenode as their communication platform. My main point is, that I was forced to offer my secret phone number to be able to register an open source project on Freenode. They require it. Of course it was my choice. But we dont talk about some random website or some small community here. Freenode is platform for many big projects and Freenode has many trustable sponsors. Peer Directed Projects Center that runs Freenode is a tax exempt organization. Christel Dahlskjaer is board member of PDPC aswell as head of staff of Freenode. And she gave my secret phone number to that person who attacked me before on Freenode channels. I want to spare on assumptions why she did that. She had her reasons. And other people have their reasons to attack me for some IRC drama from 1,5 years ago. As a few debian developers have their reason to call me a troll. As do people have lots of reasons to talk bad about others. But I have strong believes that people in a priviledged position and role should be a good example regarding positive morals and ethics. And I think that PDPC and Freenode should have a better system for conflict management than random chat networks. Patrick Frank _______________________________________________ gNewSense-users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-users
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