Sounds good. By project pointer I meant a gnewsense PPC web page or perhaps a gnewsense PPC specific mailing list.
Best Regards, Rich d --- "Kevin M. Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Rich DAddio wrote: > > > You mean "irregular"... :) > > Yeah. :) I'm a fan of Power and when I'm on x86 or > AMD64 I'm an AMD fandboy. > > > Also Freescale(former Motorola) has provided > pretty > > good and widely available documentation for > developers > > over the years. > > Yes, Freescale, IBM and Apple formed the Power > consortium back then. The > entire architecture has been open for a while - but > Freescale has pretty > much vanished as far as the consumer market goes and > with Apple out of > the game... > > Power.org is a clearing house for all things Power, > and it's backed by a > group of companies, large and small, dedicated to > keeping Power viable > and open. > > > That isn't "wacky" that is proprietary. Having > used > > and converted many Apple machines to Linux over > the > > years(I'm typing this on my debian G3) and having > > lived thru the mklinux stuff, Apple hasn't always > been > > friendly to the Linux on Apple idea. > > I consider "proprietary", "locked", "restricted" and > "managed" hardware > to be wacky - it's hardware. It's not supposed to > KNOW what software is > running it, let alone do things differently because > of it. :) It's like > vegetables that change colour if they "think" > they'll be used as soup or > salad. :) > > > > >> I am sure that PlayStation 3s > >> do NOT require New > >> World Boot Partitions, as old OLD Macs didn't > have > >> them and New Macs don't. > > Well AFAIK the P3 uses the IBM Cell and is not a > Apple > > device in any way. Generally IBM and > Freescale(mostly) > > supplied PPC chips to Apple --just as IBM supplies > > them to Sony. Moreover, the boot setup is > particular > > to the vendor using the cpus. > > > > e.g. lots of PPC devices(not necessarily PCs per > se) > > use uboot and ext2/3 and none of the Apple > specific > > stuff. > > That was my point as well. I'm not sure I made it > clear, but I intend to > make a Power based version, not JUST a PowerPC based > Mac version. If we > focus on Macs alone, we might as well not do it. > Power on Mac is dead. > Power in embedded, Power in PS3 (Cell is a Power > architecture, but NOT > PowerPC) and Power in servers are still very much > alive and considering > that PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii ALL run Power, I'd say > it's got a bright future. > > The problem with a Power port is that different > power systems do > different things. I.e. Releasing a Power gnewSense > port that can't > install on a PS3 is as bad in my mind as a version > of X86 that can't > install on AMD but does on Intel. > > And that means, also, understanding the differences > in the various > systems the port would run on. But in terms of > proprietary things, that > could raise a lot of interesting issues with G3/4/5 > systems. > > > I assume the goals of the PPC Gnewsense project > are > > similar to those of the x86 side. I am not sure of > > this --I would have to go take a look-- but there > may > > be some firmware in the drivers that Apple folks > are > > going to dearly miss. Do you have any indications > so > > far? > > Not really. I have a G4 that uses only basic > networking, an IDE drive > and an ATI video card. I've been asking about the > ati driver because I'm > still confused. :) I know there's ATI's non-free > driver, and there was a > driver called "radeon" at one point. I know the > radeon driver from Xorg > is consider non-free by gNS standards - but is that > the ati driver or > the radeon driver? > > One thing I know for SURE... Vesa works. :) And in > terms of delivering a > libre system I consider that a "working device". > Same with my ethernet > interface, hard drive and CD rom drive. > > But desktop have never really posed a problem, I > think. It's those pesky > laptops that ALWAYS pose issues. Throw wifi into the > mix and we're in > trouble already, and I can't say anything about > power management. This > is another stumbling block for me personally, and > the project in > general, we've not got an array of various devices > to hack on. > > I haven't had a chance at ALL to look at the kernel > itself, I'd assume > that Builder's edits to the source code would mean > that all firmware > would be gone BEFORE it was considered a "Power" > kernel, but I've not > even begun to TOUCH the kernel, so that's just a > guess. > > > Has there been any thought given to an "embedded" > > Gnewsense project? Since "slimmed" down completely > > free packages for PPC may have a lot of takers in > that > > domain. > > I agree, which is why I think a Power port is vital. > With the GNU GPL v3 > coming out and that impacting embedded devices a > bit, a "solid ground" > to stand on would be a great way to avoid unintended > licensing issues. > > > > > Do you have a project pointer?? > > > > Not sure what you mean by "project pointer". > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - > http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGc/rDjbEXCxKVc6YRAkHpAJ4soQcCcY0DvDm8rEiZl5+gLgMwVwCgyocE > P+FzffarKw0+hRyhow+n40o= > =lB2I > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php _______________________________________________ gNewSense-users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-users
