If a manual is prepared afresh, my sugesstion is to have it in pdf or djvu format and it must be downloadable. Since every time logging to i-net and seeing the help page is a real nuisance from users like me who have access only to dial up service.
On 12/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Send gNewSense-users mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gNewSense-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. wireless config ( Quiliro Ord??ez ) > 2. Re: wireless config (Eus) > 3. Re: wireless config ( Quiliro Ord??ez ) > 4. Re: restructuring the website (Benedikt Ahrens) > 5. Re: wireless config (Eus) > 6. Re: restructuring the website (Graziano Sorbaioli) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:08:28 -0500 > From: " Quiliro Ord??ez " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [gNewSense-users] wireless config > To: "gnewSense mailing list" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I cannot configure my wireless network interface. In Windows it works > perfectly. > > $ lspci | grep Network > 00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI > > $ lsmod |grep rt61 > rt61pci 24576 0 > rt2x00pci 10368 1 rt61pci > rt2x00lib 21632 2 rt61pci,rt2x00pci > mac80211 162580 3 rt61pci,rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib > eeprom_93cx6 2304 1 rt61pci > > $ ifconfig wlan2 > wlan2 Link encap:Ethernet direcciónHW 00:08:a1:ac:2b:f4 > inet dirección:192.168.2.167 Difusión:192.168.2.255 Máscara: > 255.255.255.0 > DIFUSIÓN MULTICAST MTU:1500 Métrica:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > colisiones:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) > > $ iwconfig wlan2 > wlan2 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"galvano" > Mode:Managed Channel:0 Access Point: Not-Associated > Tx-Power=0 dBm > Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2346 B > Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 > Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 > Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 > > I don't know why it has been assigned channel 0 > > Please help. 8 hours struggling. Trying with different cards of the same > model in different computersbut no luck. Any ideas? Thks. > > -- > Saludos/Greetings > Quiliro Ordóñez > 593(02)340 1517 / 593(09)821 8696 > http://quiliro.wordpress.com > Artículos recientes: > - Por que aceptar derechos de autor y patentes si no tenemos ninguna? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.gnu.org/pipermail/gnewsense-users/attachments/20081209/74613905/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:06:55 -0800 (PST) > From: Eus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [gNewSense-users] Re: wireless config > To: gnewSense mailing list <[email protected]>, Quiliro > Ord??ez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Ho! > > --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Quiliro Ordóñez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I cannot configure my wireless network interface. In Windows >> it works >> perfectly. >> >> $ lspci | grep Network >> 00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI > > Ops, it requires a non-free firmware. To quote > http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, "Note that some > other RT chipsets, including the RT2501, RT61 and RT2571W/RT2671, require > firmware that is not released under a free software license. This makes > these devices incompatible with a fully free system." > > [snip] > >> Please help. 8 hours struggling. Trying with different >> cards of the same >> model in different computersbut no luck. Any ideas? Thks. > > Perhaps it is because the firmware has been stripped out of gNewSense > already. > >> -- >> Saludos/Greetings >> Quiliro Ordóñez >> 593(02)340 1517 / 593(09)821 8696 >> http://quiliro.wordpress.com >> Artículos recientes: >> - Por que aceptar derechos de autor y patentes si no >> tenemos ninguna? > > Best regards, > Eus (FSF member #4445) > > In this digital era, where computing technology is pervasive, > your freedom depends on the software controlling those computing devices. > > Join free software movement today! > It is free as in freedom, not as in free beer! > > Join: http://www.fsf.org/jf?referrer=4445 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:52:13 -0500 > From: " Quiliro Ord??ez " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [gNewSense-users] Re: wireless config > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: gnewSense mailing list <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> >> >> > $ lspci | grep Network >> > 00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI >> >> Ops, it requires a non-free firmware. To quote >> http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, "Note that some >> other RT chipsets, including the RT2501, RT61 and RT2571W/RT2671, require >> firmware that is not released under a free software license. This makes >> these devices incompatible with a fully free system." >> > > On this page I found several files: > http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html > > This link has no license: > http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/drivers/2008_0723_RT61_Linux_STA_v1.1.2.2.tar.bz2 > and the firmware has only some freedoms: > http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT61_Firmware_V1.2.zip > > Found this GPLd source. Will it work for me? > http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT2500-Linux-STA-1.4.6.6.tar.gz > > Found this too: > http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-install-and-configure-dlink-dwl-g-520-wireless-lan-pci-card.html > -- > Saludos/Greetings > Quiliro Ordóñez > 593(02)340 1517 / 593(09)821 8696 > http://quiliro.wordpress.com > Artículos recientes: > - Por que aceptar derechos de autor y patentes si no tenemos ninguna? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.gnu.org/pipermail/gnewsense-users/attachments/20081209/3c1c89e1/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:16:01 +0100 > From: "Benedikt Ahrens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [gNewSense-users] restructuring the website > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > thanks for the link. this was before i subscribed to the mailing list. > seems like people are either too busy or not interested in changing > the web page, since nobody joins in the discussion. > > since i do not have the permission and the knowledge to change the > structure of gnewsense.org, i am thinking about creating my own small > gnewsense howtos page. > this should be a page for the absolute beginner, including only > installation manuals and such, not more. > > i assume that i have the permission to use the contents of > gnewsense.org, which is under GFDL ? > > ben > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Sam Geeraerts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> ben wrote: >>> >>> hello, >>> >>> in the forum some people (including me) were off the opinion that the >>> gNS website is not really well-structured. there are two points which i >>> want to mention (which were the initial reason for me to think about >>> this): >>> >>> (1) the documentation page >>> http://wiki.gnewsense.org/Documentation/Documentation >>> is way too difficult to reach, considered the fact that it carries >>> crucial info like the installation manual >>> >>> (2) while the builder is very important, people who visit the web site >>> will mainly be interested in gNS and not in the builder. >>> (if this assumption is not right, please excuse me) >>> for those the information about the builder is noise which is bound to >>> make life difficult for them. >>> >>> >>> i would like to suggest a new structure for the main menu, which would >>> be more standard and hence easier and faster to understand. my >>> suggestion is far from complete, of course, and is only meant as a >>> starting point for discussion. >>> >>> the main points are answers to the facts i mentioned before: separate >>> 'builder' section (also for documentation of the builder) and >>> aggregation of all the gNS user information under 'Documentation' >>> >>> >>> >>> About gNewSense >>> Features >>> FAQ >>> Software >>> Repos >>> Releases >>> LiveCD >>> >>> >>> >>> Software/Download >>> (Links to the files) >>> >>> >>> >>> Documentation (for gNewSense only) >>> Forum >>> Manuals & HowTos >>> Getting Started >>> Recommended Hardware >>> How To Help >>> etc. >>> >>> The Builder >>> Description >>> Documentation >>> >>> >>> greetings >>> ben >>> >> A few months ago Karl had also talked about cleaning things up [1]. He >> proposed a slightly different structure. >> >> [1] >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnewsense-users/2008-08/msg00041.html >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:43:51 -0800 (PST) > From: Eus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [gNewSense-users] Re: wireless config > To: Quiliro Ord??ez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: gnewSense mailing list <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Ho! > > --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Quiliro Ordóñez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On this page I found several files: >> http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html >> >> This link has no license: >> http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/drivers/2008_0723_RT61_Linux_STA_v1.1.2.2.tar.bz2 >> and the firmware has only some freedoms: >> http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT61_Firmware_V1.2.zip > > Yes, it is non-free. Let me quote from the license: > > Redistribution and use in binary form, without > > modification, are permitted... > ... > * No reverse engineering, decompilation, or disassembly of this software > > is permitted. > >> Found this GPLd source. Will it work for me? >> http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT2500-Linux-STA-1.4.6.6.tar.gz > > No, it won't. > >> Found this too: >> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-install-and-configure-dlink-dwl-g-520-wireless-lan-pci-card.html > > Yes, it shows how to build the driver from the source code. > > Oh, BTW, you have to understand that there are two parts that you will need > to run the device: > 1. The driver (this one is free software) > 2. The firmware (this one is not) > > The case of this particular chipset of RaLink is the same as the case of > Intel Wireless NIC because Intel also requires that the free driver to load > the non-free firmware in order to run the device. > > We in the gNewSense community have been taking time to remove all of the > non-free firmwares from the Linux kernel. That's why I said that you might > not be able to run the device if you used it directly under gNewSense since > the needed firmware might have long gone. This is a point that you have to > check anyway. > > So, either you buy another RaLink product whose chipset has a free firmware > or you follow some howtos to get both the driver and the non-free firmware > installed on your system. I hope you don't take the latter. > >> -- >> Saludos/Greetings >> Quiliro Ordóñez >> 593(02)340 1517 / 593(09)821 8696 >> http://quiliro.wordpress.com >> Artículos recientes: >> - Por que aceptar derechos de autor y patentes si no >> tenemos ninguna? > > Best regards, > Eus (FSF member #4445) > > In this digital era, where computing technology is pervasive, > your freedom depends on the software controlling those computing devices. > > Join free software movement today! > It is free as in freedom, not as in free beer! > > Join: http://www.fsf.org/jf?referrer=4445 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:22:02 +0100 > From: Graziano Sorbaioli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [gNewSense-users] restructuring the website > To: gNewSense Users <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Benedikt Ahrens wrote: >> thanks for the link. this was before i subscribed to the mailing list. >> seems like people are either too busy or not interested in changing >> the web page, since nobody joins in the discussion. > > > I'm sorry Ben, I would like to answer your previous email but I didn't > find time so I'll do it now. > > I agree with you that there is a need to change the structure of the > main page because some important pages are difficult to reach. > > I read the structure proposed by Karl and your one. > I merged your ideas with mines and here is the result: > > Translations (ON THE RIGHT SIDE of the screen just as: www.fsfeurope.org) > > > About gNewSense > Features > FAQ > Software > Repos > Releases > LiveCD > > > > Download > gnewsense > builder > > > > Documentation (for gNewSense only) > Getting Started > Manuals & HowTos > The Builder documentation > > > Recommended Hardware (too important, it should be listed alone) > > Contact (single page with mailing lists, irc, forum) > > Help us (projects, freedom verification, translations) > > > > I prefer ah horizontal menu because it looks more modern to me. > > What do you think? > > - -- > Graziano Sorbaioli -- www.sorbaioli.org > ======================================================================== > Support freedom? > Join the Free Software Foundation: http://www.fsf.org/jf?referrer=5796 > Supporters will receive our new USB membership card with gNewSense Live > ======================================================================== > NO EMAIL from gmail accounts, >1Mb, html, ms-office files > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFJP6ZaTtn97LA90HMRAlpyAKDf9IBL5y8mluNaWGgElO44rUKO9QCbB+yw > T4e/+q5wN3k1TxZ6lm0oiPw= > =FL0A > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > gNewSense-users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-users > > > End of gNewSense-users Digest, Vol 27, Issue 11 > *********************************************** > _______________________________________________ gNewSense-users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-users
