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Thoughts on Persistence/Persistent ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:47:43 -0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [gNewSense-users] Thoughts on Persistence/Persistent > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 > > Hi, > I am new here and would like to take a moment to toss out some thoughts on > some issues. > I am not new to linux, but with that said I am surely no hack, not even > close. I plod along using the infinite monkey theorem ;) > > The Machine is a Dell Inspiron Duo, 2 usb ports no other external drives, > internal HD was broke, so removed. > > First I know this is not a Free Hardware system in any way, I wish it > was, however, it seems to Me that many such broken devices lay about not > used and I wanted to see if I could use it. Not to mention that in today?s > day and age, there are so many devices like this so why not run gnewsense > on them? > > First issue: (should be a non-issue on next release but I left this in My > draft in case anyone needs it) > It was a lengthy process to get the wireless to work, but that will be > solved as I understand in the next release. > What I needed to do to get the wireless working (no wired connection as is > fairly common among these devices) > I have my note below in case anyone needs it before the next release. > ----------------------From My notes--------------------------------- edit > /etc/network/interfaces > auto lo > auto wlan0 > allow-hotplug wlano > iface lo inet loopback > iface wlan0 inet dhcp > > then > > iwcconfig wlan0 key xxxxxxxxxx mode managed essid MYNETWORKID channel auto > > then > > ifconfig wlan0 up > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > OK so Great! worked for My system however, without persistence, I would > have to do this each time I boot from usb. > > Note: Since the above will be fixed in the next release, I would not have > to do all of the above but simply choose My wireless and enter My key, > however this is only one example of the need for some level of persistence > on a live usb boot. > > Some would argue that booting from a live cd/live usb doesn?t need to have > all the features as that is not what it is intended for... > > First I think live usb is valid and valuable given the current amount of > devices that could use this method of enjoying gnewsense.I also think that > booting from usb "Live persistent" is not documented well enough. > > Booting live is easy and the methods for getting gnewsense to a usb are > well documented and easy. > So I think it could be better documented as how to choose persistent (or > persistence whichever applies) > Also which type or "persistence" one might need or have available as there > are actually pretty many. > > The word itself has many misconceptions, some think it is == to a usb true > install, some see it as a user space partition that only saves certain > things, others look to be able to save every setting there, so maybe we > should define what gnewsense will call it and what it will allow and > incorporate it into the releases in a way similar to Ubuntu, but in our > own way that we decide, or offer not one but several ways to create a usb > that will offer some persistent method of saving data. > > > I followed samgee's suggestions from: > http://live.debian.net/manual/oldstable/html/live-manual.en.html > to make My own image, and it worked to an extent > > this is from My notes: > ----------------------from My notes------------------- > sudo lb config > sudo lb config -b usb-hdd > sudo lb config --bootappend-live persistent > sudo lb build > sudo dd if=binary.img of=/dev/sdb > sudo fdisk /dev/sdb > press "p" and find last cylinder of first partition > Then press ?n? to create a new partition, select a primary partition and > enter the first free cylinder as the starting cylinder. Now you have to > enter the size of the new partition. > press "w" to write > Now all you have to do is create a filesystem in your new partition, use > the label ?live-rw?: > sudo mkfs.ext3 -L live-rw /dev/sdb2 > > On boot hit escape then type: > live persistent > ---------------------------------------------------- > > I said above "it worked to an extent", it did save my user space settings, > documents and such, but it did not save things I had done as root, or > system wide via sudo. I believe that is because the above example was only > designed for user space changes to be saved but I am unsure and not fully > yet understanding the lb config --bootapend (parameters) and what goes > where in /live-rw , still learning... > > > I would suggest we can build future releases with that feature in the > build so you would have an extra option at the boot, but then also at > least from the above, "sudo fdisk /dev/sdb" downwards in my notes we would > have to add to the documentation. With that said, the instructions for the > user would have to be fit to the method of persistence that would be > chosen (or methods). > I envision being able to download gnewsense, write it to a usb, chose a > method of persistence and being capable of having your own free software > distribution with you wherever you go, with the state of the system intact > from wherever(whenever) you last shutdown from. I do realize it can be a > can of worms to try and make one live distro work for everyone everywhere, > so... yeah :) > That leads to another thought, Does gnewsense even want to go there? Maybe > other distro's that specialize in live-cd, live-usb's already carry that > torch, but if so are they "Free"? > > Just some ideas I thought I would pass for review and comment. > CoNCoN > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > gNewSense-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-users > > > End of gNewSense-users Digest, Vol 87, Issue 12 > *********************************************** >
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