On 8/10/20 10:23 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> I don't have any kids, but my school district and other governments who claim 
> jurisdiction over me also require it.
> 
> Since Zoom had said before that it was secure and it turned out that it 
> wasn't, it certainly doesn't make since to trust them now. The way we do it 
> in the open source community is to have lots of eyeballs looking over the 
> code so we can verify it ourselves. So, where can I get copies of the sources 
> for Zoom's app and server?
> 
> Also, although the CEO of Zoom has become a U.S. citizen and they are 
> headquartered in the U.S., Zoom is essentially a Chinese-owned company. They 
> do whatever the Chinese government tells them to do including shutting down 
> the accounts of U.S. and Chinese human rights activists.

Yeah.... Though the `developed in China' aspect isn't necessarily a `red flag' 
by itself
(there are good people everywhere, and there have been some really great 
projects
that came out of China specifically--OpenMoko and Qi Hardware
come to mind for me--and IIRC I heard somewhere that Ubuntu/Canonical got
a lot of funding from China; and there's probably a lot of good things that I'm 
forgetting)...,
when taken together with the other symptoms _and_ the general patterns of 
`privacy tonedeafness'
and `what could they possibly hav been thinking when they decided doing that 
was a good idea',
it doesn't really help to shift the scales back in their favor....

> There are at least a dozen alternatives:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_telecommunication_services_and_product_brands#Browser_based_-_does_not_require_software_downloads
> 
> https://techwiser.com/open-source-zoom-alternative/

Well..., the NH State Board of Education signed a deal a couple weeks ago to 
provide
BigBlueButton and a bunch of other hosted open-source services to every school 
in the state
for grades K-12 (the NH universities had already standardized on the same 
things a while ago...):

        
https://www.ilearnnh.org/sites/default/files/media/2020-07/doe-press-release-july-28-2020.pdf

So hopefully the schools will at least start taking up what the state is 
offering
instead of going it alone (even if the security- and privacy- [which I guess I 
have
to remind people are *not* the same thing...] arguments fall on deaf ears,
there's a pretty obvious *economic* "why are you using your funding for this 
instead of spending
everything you can on our kids and teachers" argument....

(and if schools are using Zoom but *not* paying for a contract to ensure 
[supposed] FERPA compliance...,
  ummm...)

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