Derek,
In the future, I/we would appriciate it if you didn't hold back so
much. Please, we want to know how you *REALLY* feel ;-)
Kenny
Derek Martin wrote:
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2000, David P. Greenberg wrote:
>
> > :-) Currently, you run Linux, because you recognize that MS products have
> > :-)serious issues
> > <snip>
> > Is it just me, or does it seem that all this Linux vs. Microsoft stuff is a
> > little ridiculous? I love Linux, which I am still pretty much a newbie with,
> > but I also enjoy Win95, Win3x and Dos. I kind of feel like that guy who got
> > beat up by those LA cops, Rodney King when I say "Can't we all just get
> > along?"
>
> OH PLEASE.
>
> First of all, not to lessen the severity and seriousness of the police
> brutality, but let's not forget that Rodney King WAS a criminal.
>
> Secondly, if you READ my post, I made specific points about serious
> SECURITY issues as well as resource usage issues one must deal with when
> running Microsoft APPLICATIONS. Your post doesn't address my post so much
> as one character worth. Did you bother to go past what you quoted? Your
> post would suggest that you didn't.
>
> Thirdly, though I did not explicitly say it because I would prefer a Linux
> solution, what I'm actually saying is that even on Windows, ANY OTHER
> VENDOR'S PRODUCTS ARE BETTER TO USE. Because they generally are much more
> secure by default, and generally don't suffer from quite the same level of
> bloat (though certainly there are exceptions). However, in general, Linux
> applications are still better, in terms of resource usage and SECURITY,
> which is what I'm most concerned about. Admittedly, flash doesn't impress
> me much, if the underlying functionality is broken or brain-damaged.
>
> > Does it in any way make Linux a stronger OS to be constantly
> > decrying Microsoft.
>
> I have to admit, I get a little tired of people complaining about
> Microsoft bashing. Poor, poor Microsoft. They don't deserve to be
> bashed... They're only out to make the world a better place... Yeah
> right.
>
> Did it ever occur to you that if so many people bash Microsoft, there
> might actually be a good reason?
>
> I decry Microsoft because they deserve it, not because I'm trying to
> strengthen Linux. I try to strenghten Linux, but only because the
> alternative sucks. I use Linux and Linux apps because Microsoft's OS and
> applications, while flashy and pretty, have very serious implications for
> critical applications, wether for the home user or in business.
>
> I'm specifically addressing issues concerning security and resource usage.
> These are not assertions, they're documented facts. Linux does have
> weaknesses compared to Microsoft in some areas. But those weaknesses I
> have addressed should be, in my mind, sufficient to keep businesses from
> using their applications AT ALL. If there were better alternatives than
> Linux, then I would use those instead. But since (as I see it) there
> aren't, I'll do everything I can to help promote MS's #1 contender.
>
> Someone else must agree with me, which I conclude from the fact that Linux
> has been the fastest growing OS in the server market for quite some time
> now, and MS has actually lost market share. There are real reasons for
> this... It isn't just hype.
>
> Oh, and why aren't there better alternatives? Because Microsoft engages
> in monopolistic business practices to buy or crush the competition. You
> might have heard something about it in the news? But maybe not, it's only
> been going on for oh, maybe a year now.
>
> I'm also addressing issues concerning the mindset of managers in corporate
> America. They seem to think that wasting resources, losing data,
> productivity, and occasionally sanity is an acceptable tradeoff to use
> products that look flashy and have bells and whistles. I find this
> attitude atrocious.
>
> If you are going to refute those points, then by all means do so. But
> you'll find you'll have a hard time with it. I can produce gobs of
> documentation to back up everything I've said. The most you'll be able to
> do, as near as I can see, is disagree that my points are sufficient to
> warrant looking for alternatives. However, such a conclusion seems
> extremely illogical.
>
> The rest of what you said has zero relevance to this discussion.
>
> If you want me and others to stop bashing Microsoft, you'll have to prove
> to me/us that their products don't have these flaws. That'll take some
> doing.
>
> Why do we do it? Because WE CARE. We care about our data, our security,
> our sanity, AND YOURS TOO. We don't think people should have to deal with
> all the problems that Microsoft has inflicted upon the world, and we're
> trying to do something about it. And that is to make sure that you have
> alternatives that work. AND MICROSOFT DOES EVERYTHING IT CAN TO MAKE SURE
> WE FAIL. So go ahead, praise Microsoft. But don't expect me to. I know
> they suck.
>
> --
> Derek Martin
> System Administrator
> Mission Critical Linux
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