Let me make a few things perfectly clear: * This has nothing to do with Debian. In fact, I was voicing concerns about the FDL well before people at Debian were. You have no sense of history in this conversation.
* You stated "some insignificiant part of the Free Software community hates GFDL". I don't like the GFDL, and neither do many members of my team. WE ARE NOT INSIGNIFICANT. Insult my team again and you will be banned from this list. Now on to the actual problems with the GFDL. * The GFDL absolutely *does* require the title to be changed for modified works. The copyright holder, of course, is not subject to this restriction. But we have a constantly shifting set of contributors. We do not require copyright assignment, and I have no intention of implementing such a requirement. Contrary to the wiki (just because it's on the net doesn't make it true), we have not "resolved" this. Rather, I made the conscious decision to ignore this clause, believing that none of our copyright holder will choose to enforce it. Sue me. * Regarding difficult revision history, you don't see any problems, because "one single set of documentation, if packaged and released together (f.i. gnome-user-docs tarball) requires only one instance of the GFDL to be present and one revision history." This shows that you don't understand what Mallard is. Do not tell me what is best for my project when you clearly don't know what my project entails. One of the core ideas of Mallard is that a document consists of independent pages, which needn't be all designed together at once, and WHICH NEED NOT BE PACKAGED AND RELEASED TOGETHER. Pluggable documentation is one of the biggest selling points of Mallard. * The GFDL makes a lot of mention of the title page. How can I comply with its restrictions if when my medium has no concept of a title page? * The GFDL makes a lot of mention of the publisher. We don't really have one of those. * Points K and M automatically make special provisions for sections with certain pre-set names, precluding me from using those names without an explicit grant. Furthermore, they cleverly do this for the English language only. * Code samples in a document under the GFDL are not excepted from the GFDL. This means they can't be used in *any* program, including those licensed under the GPL. Copyright holders can try to make exceptions, but we're bound to use sloppy language, because we're not lawyers. Now, tell me why I should go beg the FSF to make their license conform to what I need? I have absolutely no obligation to use licenses produced by the FSF. None. Assume there is a license, call it the MFL, that suits my needs perfectly. Tell me which course of action makes more sense: 1) Use the MFL, or 2) Beg the FSF to turn the FDL into the MFL. Honestly, the FSF knows that a lot of people don't like the FDL. And yet, I've never seen a single statement along the lines of "yeah, we'd really like to address those problems." Instead, I see attempts to trivialize people's concerns, attempts to tell people what they really think (or really should think), and attempts to trivialize the people who have concerns (insignificant indeed). I have a lot of respect for Richard and a lot of respect for Eben. But the FDL does not meet our needs, and we have to have a solution that works for us. -- Shaun _______________________________________________ gnome-doc-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-doc-list
