On à., 2005-01-31 at 08:04 -0800, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> This certainly sounds good, though I'm not sure I see it actually 
> happening.  The time savings I see from having more moderators is not so 
> much from having fewer individual mails to review, as that takes very 
> little time, but from having fewer lists that need to have the queue 
> cleared every X hours.  If you can find folks who will sign up, and 
> check in on their lists at a specific time each day, this might actually 
> work out.  As for me, I've been doing it "when I have time," which is 
> never at the same time two times in a row, let alone two days in a row.

Some people (inc myself) don't have a solid, regular daily schedule, and
tend to do things as they get round to them. However, there are still a
lot of people out there that know they'll be sat at their computer at
some point early-mid morning every day, stirring their coffee, checking
their e-mail and not quite ready to start any real work until they've
woken up a bit.

> 
> I've found that, on my fairly decent computer, it takes me > 30 minutes 
> to get to all of the moderator reqests, even if there are only a dozen 
> or so per list.  Most of my time is really spent waiting for browser 
> windows to spawn, and for the pages to actually load after I enter the 
> mailman password.  I've found that the upper limit of my tolerances is 
> about 5-6 lists at a time.  More than that becomes tedious.  If I only 
> have 2 or 3 lists to do, I usually don't bother, as it will end up being 
> faster for me to wait until there are 5 lists, so that the 'overhead' 
> gets spread out a bit more.
> 

I know what you mean. My laptop (a low-end Compaq Celeron!) isn't all
that (my laptop died - borrowing a friends until I can afford a new
one), and most of my time is spent waiting for browser windows, and in
my case the RTT on a busy 56k line, which is another reason I was hoping
to find to people with better equipment and connectivity to help pick up
the slack.

I was hoping to get into python a bit by patching mailman a bit to make
this task even easier. For example - it'd be a lot easier if you only
had to log in once, and that cookie let you into any other lists on the
same server with the same password. That'd cut a large part of the
overhead out. The same thing would be nice when using the mailman site
password - it's very annoying having to type that in 10+ times a day!

> >If you, or anyone you know, is able to spare a few minutes a day to help
> >out the GNOME list moderator team (and to help save me a few minutes a
> >day), please pretty please drop me an e-mail.
> >
> I can still do "spot checks," but likely am not organized enough to 
> commit to doing things at a specific time every day.  Later,
>     Greg
> 

Thanks for the offer. The team was 3-strong as of yesterday (thanks Kurt
and Toni), and I've had a few more volunteers in this morning's e-mail,
all of whom are currently GNOME list admins already, so I think we have
enough for now. For now, you (and the other members of 'gnome-sysadmin')
will still see moderator stuff coming through via 'gnome-listadmin'.
Just keeping an eye on those and making sure they don't get out of hand
is help enough.

Eventually, I'll start adding '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' to lists owned only
by 'gnome-listadmin'. When that's done, I'll configure (/patch) mailman
to send moderator traffic only to the moderator request, if one is set.
I think it currently copies it to the owner too, which isn't really
necessary if there is a moderator.

Cheers,

--
Ross

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