On 12/22/2017 06:41 PM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > Hi Henry, > > > On 12/22/2017 05:18 PM, Henry Jensen wrote: >> Hallo, >> >> congratulations for adding a great distro to the list. >> >> However, it seems that PureOS is not using the linux-libre kernel but a >> kernel based on Debian's Linux kernel. > Yes, that is correct. > >> When I tried to get ConnochaetOS [0] on this list the last time, people >> explained to me, that ConnochaetOS can't be endorsed because it doesn't >> use linux-libre and the Debian based kernel requests non-free firmware >> files and does write the names of those files to the system log. See the >> thread at >> https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2017-08/msg00013.html > I will not read into thread but I can also add this: Debian kernel > itself doesn't contain non-free firmware at all (they are separate > packages in non-free repo that we sync too). Debian does allow if > something wants to find firmware and it has non-free repo enabled, that > it can be installed. This gets to bottom part...
Correction here: "that we don't sync to". PureOS only sync to Debian main and we patch/change some defaults to get more to our goals (freedom, security and convenience). > >> Now, I installed PureOS and it seems, PureOS does use the same Debian >> based deblob mechanism as does ConnochaetOS. >> >> To verify it, I tried the PureOS ISO from >> https://downloads.puri.sm/snapshots/2017-11-11/pureos-8.0-live-amd64.hybrid.iso >> and booted it on a notebook with a wifi chip which does need non-free >> firmware. And indeed I see in dmesg the following message (among others): >> >> iwlwifi: 0000:03:00.0 firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode (-2) > And as you see it says "failed to load" which means, yes, it wanted to > see if there is such firmware in kernel but it couldn't find it. So, in > the end, Debian kernel is Free and PureOS archive is entirely based on > Debian main archive (no contrib and non-free) and there is no code that > is non-free in (we even do Freedom bugs in tracker to make Debian main > "more" Free). > >> So, of course I want to know how PureOS can use this Debian based >> kernel and be endorsed while ConnochaetOS can't? > Well, if the only issue was Debian's kernel, I don't see it as stop sign > and you should re-apply. Notice that Debian kernel in past didn't deblob > firmware from it but in recent times that is the case now as well, so > maybe some people remember it like that. > >> >> Regards, >> >> Henry > Cheers, > > Z > >> >> >> >> [0] https://connochaetos.org/ >> >> >> On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:54:29 -0500 >> Donald Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> We just wanted to give the list a heads up on our forthcoming >>> announcement of adding PureOS to our list of endorsed distros. Quite >>> some time ago they wrote to this list and got feedback about their >>> distro. From that time, they've been working with us to address concerns >>> that were brought up in that thread, such as removing leftover >>> problematic code from Firefox, fixing up their bug tracker, and making >>> clearer the separation between Purism and PureOS. They've addressed our >>> concerns, and are actively maintaining freedom-related issues in their >>> bug tracker >>> <https://tracker.pureos.net/tag/freedom-harm_need_nonfree_code/>. The >>> endorsement program depends on the community to help projects to >>> maintain their free status, and we are satisfied with PureOS's >>> commitment to maintaining that status. After this announcement, we'll be >>> moving our focus to working with other pending candidates for >>> endorsement, but maintaining a free distro is a task that needs >>> everyone's help. If there are issues that you can help PureOS with, >>> please do make use of the bug tracker, and make sure to CC >>> <[email protected]> so you can be rewarded with a GNU Buck >>> <https://www.gnu.org/help/gnu-bucks.en.html> if you do find a problem. >>> Thank you all for your help in bringing PureOS up to speed, and we look >>> forward to your continued help on future distros seeking endorsement. >>> -- >>> Donald R. Robertson, III, J.D. >>> Licensing & Compliance Manager >>> Free Software Foundation >>> 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor >>> Boston, MA 02110 >>> Phone +1-617-542-5942 >>> Fax +1-617-542-2652 ex. 56 >>> >
