On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 17:11:09 -0400 bill-auger <bill-auger@peers.community> wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:40:34 +0200 Denis wrote: > > If it's not already done somewhere else (like in Debian for > > instance), we probably need to fork nmap in the meantime. > > as i understand this, a fork would not help - the recent hubbub > over the new license exposed the fact that the parts of the new > license, which induced most of the new complaints, were also in > the previous license, which nmap had been under for over a > decade - the upstream was forthright about that fact, early on in > the debate - they were confused why people were complaining so > fervently; because, the new license did not introduce those > concerns - i suspect that is why the FSF has not yet rescinded > the freeze, despite that over six months ago, the nmap upstream > reinstated the previous license - they may be now, doubting if > nmap was _ever_ libre - ive seen discussions within other > distros, which echoed that doubt What may also happen (potentially in parallel) is discussions behind closed doors between the FSF and nmap, and in some cases private discussions can be way more efficient than public discussions for convincing companies. We for instance have (for a different topic) the Principles of Community-Oriented GPL Enforcement which clearly states that "Confidentiality can increase receptiveness and responsiveness"[1]. And in yet another area, private discussions with a neutral third party are also used a lot to solve conflicts between individuals[2]. The idea is for the humans in conflict to understand the point of view of the other side by discussing privately with a third party (and not directly with the other side) in order to avoid violent confrontation and instead take into account the other party needs. If the delay is because of discussion behind closed doors, all the FSDG compliant distributions also have some collective power, and so if we work together with the FSF, we could for instance enable the FSF to leverage that power in one way or another if it feels that it's relevant. For instance we could remove nmap if the FSF asks us to do it or package really a new version of nmap with a new clarified license really fast for instance and in either cases couple that with a joint press release from the FSDG distributions and the FSF and/or the FSDG distributions, the FSF and nmap. References: ----------- [1]https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/principles.html [2]https://cdn.media.ccc.de/events/rc3/webm-sd/rc3-hacc-125-eng-How_to_solve_conflict_in_a_community_of_equals_webm-sd.webm Denis.
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