On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 21:13:48 +0100, Andy Wingo wrote: >> We've had a few people in particular that have been especially >> problematic, and one person in particular that has many different >> aliases and has even gone so far as to create a separate list that the >> person has forcefully subscribed people to. I condemn this >> behavior. But there's little we can do to stop it. > > I am very sorry, but this is simply not true.
There is noting we can do to stop someone from scraping email addresses from a public list and subscribing those users to another list. That is what I was referring to. > The best solution to the problem is a public mailing list whose > subscribers are limited to GNU stakeholders. This would go a long way > towards discourse civility, and is what was asked for in the beginning; > you have the power to do such a thing. I do not have the power to do such a thing. That is beyond the authority granted to me. > It is possible to ban people who have a pattern of problematic behavior. > It too would go a long way to solving this problem. You have the power > to do this, also. > > It is possible to be more vigorous in moderating. You and Brendan took > it upon yourselves the task of moderating this list, so this also is > within your power. Moderators of this list have offered their time to work within certain guidelines. > And yet for some reason you used this power to let the message > referred to in > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/2020-02/msg00441.html > go through. To be clear: you're saying that I personally used my "power" to personally approve a racist message to this list? What an absurd accusation. I just got done condemning someone for calling another person "sick", which is far less offensive. Just because a message makes it to this list does not mean that it was approved. Not every message going to this list is moderated. Before reading this accusation of yours, I read a private message from another person offering his/her time to help moderate this list, wondering how such a message got through, and it's being investigated. Do you not assume that we're acting in good faith? You know quite well that GNU is a project of volunteers. And I can assure you that I'd rather not be spending my time babysitting this list. Messages like this do not help matters any. I would not have approved that message if it was presented to me in a moderation queue. > In a message to Andreas Enge > (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/2020-02/msg00433.html), > you write: > >> But coming to this list, raising an inflammatory topic, and then >> demanding that moderation be used as a tool to reduce tensions is not >> acceptable either. > > Here you have chosen instead to blame the recipients of harassment for > the harassment that they have received: it says "you deserve it", in > pretty much those words. Once again you accuse me of something I have not done, this time by deliberately twisting my words, in plain sight nonetheless. I did not say "you deserve it", or even imply such a thing. The moderators do not cater to individuals' expectations. I would hope that one would consider that to be a good thing, since you wouldn't want us to cater to the expectations of those you disagree with. I have made strong efforts to be a neutral party throughout all of this, but I will not tolerate attempts to smear my or other volunteers' efforts. -- Mike Gerwitz Free Software Hacker+Activist | GNU Maintainer & Volunteer GPG: D6E9 B930 028A 6C38 F43B 2388 FEF6 3574 5E6F 6D05
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