>>>>> "drarn" == drarn  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


drarn> A cogent example of this is the `problem` of having a slur and
drarn> a tie originate at the same point. A slur and a tie can't
drarn> originate from the same note. It is a *logical*
drarn> impossibility. Either the next note is tied or it is

Of course they can, depending on the meaning of the slur indication.

The problem is that the same symbol (a curved line) has so many
different meanings:
        -- a tie (extend the starting note to the end of the next note
                at the same pitch)
        -- a portamento (no articulation between this note and the
                next note; `slide' all the notes in between)
        -- a slur (almost no articulation between two notes, but notes 
                sounded distinctly with no notes in between)
        -- a syllable marking (all the notes under the line to be sung 
                to the same syllable; a melisma)
        -- a phrase mark (the notes under the line are connected in
                some way, maybe because they set a single line of a
                text) 

Any or all of these could start or end at the same point.  Your
logical impossibility is for a tie and a slur to  start at the same
point, and end at the same (different) point.  The second note of a
tie can still be part of the same phrase as the first note of a tie.


Peter C

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