> On Aug 11, 2017, at 5:09 AM, Lincoln A Baxter <l...@lincolnbaxter.com> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2017-08-03 at 21:16 +0200, John Ralls wrote:
>> > On Aug 3, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Tommy Trussell <tommy.truss...@gmail.com 
>> > <mailto:tommy.truss...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 8:24 PM, John Griessen <j...@industromatic.com 
>> > <mailto:j...@industromatic.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> >> I have not been able to upgrade gnucash for a while now.
>> >> 
>> >> Will there be a usable gnucash in the next debian release?
>> >> If not, why not?
>> >> 
>> >> I still use this version on debian stretch/testing/frozen, soon to be the
>> >> new released debian stable:
>> >> 
>> > 
>> > For now I presume you might switch to using the version at getdeb.net
>> > though I don't know your particular requirements. Another option, of
>> > course, is to build it yourself. See https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Debian 
>> > <https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Debian>
>> > though it looks like a lot on that page is kindof stale, and it doesn't
>> > link you to the pages describing how to build from git or a tarball -- see
>> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building 
>> > <https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building>
>> > 
>> > HOWEVER I have been seeing warnings from Debian for several weeks now about
>> > GnuCash's impending removal from Testing.
>> > 
>> > In past years this has been because of a packaging issue, which always
>> > seems to get resolved by the maintainer before the deadline and things go
>> > on normally.
>> > 
>> > This time it was apparently more fundamental -- the warnings were because
>> > GnuCash depends upon webkitgtk:
>> > 
>> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=866671 
>> > <https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=866671>
>> > 
>> > "webkitgtk: Unmaintained, not suitable for buster"
>> > 
>> > Again I presumed this is a fairly straightforward issue, but on July 31st I
>> > saw this email:
>> > 
>> > > Debian testing watch <nore...@release.debian.org 
>> > > <mailto:nore...@release.debian.org>>
>> >> to gnucash
>> >> FYI: The status of the gnucash source package
>> >> in Debian's testing distribution has changed.
>> >>  Previous version: 1:2.6.17-1
>> >>  Current version:  (not in testing)
>> >>  Hint: <https://release.debian.org/britney/hints/auto-removals 
>> >> <https://release.debian.org/britney/hints/auto-removals>>
>> >>    Bug #790204: gnucash: depends on libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 which is deprecated
>> >> The script that generates this mail tries to extract removal
>> >> reasons from comments in the britney hint files. Those comments
>> >> were not originally meant to be machine readable, so if the
>> >> reason for removing your package seems to be nonsense, it is
>> >> probably the reporting script that got confused. Please check the
>> >> actual hints file before you complain about meaningless removals.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Here's the link to that bug:
>> > 
>> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=790204 
>> > <https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=790204>
>> > 
>> > The same volunteer has maintained the Debian GnuCash package for years. I
>> > presume he might have contacted the GnuCash developers for guidance, but I
>> > haven't noticed any messages from him go across the gnucash-dev email list.
>> > 
>> > I HAVE seen discussions about updating the webkit dependencies, but if
>> > there was any particular urgency I didn't notice.
>> 
>> Yes, the webkit1 dependency will be replaced with webkit2 for Unix 
>> (webkit2gtk doesn't support windows) in 2.8.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
> Hi John (and Dev's)
> 
> I'm listening mostly silently on the the devel list, and seeing LOT of 
> refactoring going on for 2.8. But I'm having trouble reconciling the 
> statement above with respect to webkit2gtk, and the notes on the devel list 
> about switching to Gtk3/Webkit4gtk3 (Subject: Timeline and goals for Guncash 
> vv2.8.).
> 
> I've very concerned about Gnucash being removed from Debian testing. Not just 
> because I use it... but also because many, many distributions are based on 
> Debian Testing and Debian Stable. Including Ubuntu which is quite popular, 
> probably most popular.   I wouldn't be surprised if 50% or more of GC linux 
> users use Debian or a Debian derived distribution.
> 
> Can the group make a clear statement on the gnucash user list about the plan 
> and time line for getting Gnucash back in Debian? If the wait is long for 
> 2.8, should we be thinking about a maintenance release for 2.6, if for no 
> other reason than to get it back into Debian?

Lincoln,

Geert's trying to get a 2.7.0 release ready for the end of the month when I get 
back from vacation. It will have WebKit2Gtk4 and if S├ębastien wants to pick it 
up for Debian Testing he can. Once we have some users banging on 2.7 we can 
evaluate whether we need the full 6 month cycle to release 2.8 or can 
accelerate it. Do you happen to know when Ubuntu makes their packaging 
decisions for their April release?

And no, while we will continue maintenance releases of 2.6 every 3 months until 
2.8.0 is out we're not going to try to back-port Gtk3 into a maintenance 
release. That's not maintenance.

Regards,
John Ralls


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