On 12/11/18 12:08 am, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
Calm down.

The business features are the better route certainly. And if you have 1000 
transactions, then the even better route is to use some other software to 
generate a CSV to import. On that scale, probably a point of sale system that 
integrates with GnuCash via python and/or a MySQL backend is more sane.

The OP didn’t seem to indicate they were entering 1000s of transactions (but 
vaguely said “a lot”) and they specifically were looking for a General Ledger 
(but somehow automatic) solution.

Taking advantage of auto-fill with a few formulas is about the best to hope for 
under that restriction.

I didn’t mean it as the optimum solution.

Regards,
Adrien

I'm very passionate about entering data! :-)

The data isn't something the business features cater for, not unless you want to do 15 clicks per entry. Stuff like if you buy a folder for the office, and some coffee and other random things that you accumulate over a month. You might have 30 transactions like this a month, after a few years of entering it manually I got sick of it enough to do something about it.


Anyway my workflow goes like this. Download a month's transactions or so. Run the qif file through the importer where it adds a gst split, and deletes transactions I import in other ways (mostly payroll).

Upload using the qif importer, most of the regular transactions are matched, the rest go into unspecified where I allocate them.

Takes maybe 5-10 minutes for 150 total transactions or so.

Splitting each transaction to add gst used to take ages, and just as long if I used the business features. I have no idea if my situation is a minority because it's hard to tell reading the list what volume of transactions people do, and what sort of business.


Cheers

Lawrence



On Nov 11, 2018, at 5:23 AM, elvis <el...@dogonfire.com> wrote:

Seriously? Are you just telling someone to type stuff stuff in? The WHOLE point 
of computers is to automate stuff.....

What if they have 1000 transactions? At a minute a transaction that a whole day 
entering stuff that could be in under a SECOND....

I know if you have a hammer everything looks like a nail, but really we should 
be thinking of inventing a better hammer... or eliminating the screw entirely.


On 11/11/18 3:23 pm, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
Chris,

If for some reason you don’t want to use the business features and prefer to 
enter transactions manually, the auto-fill feature helps greatly for this case.

I enter all of my cash expenses with a separate sales tax split. (I’m not in a 
VAT locale, this is ‘in addition to’ sales tax) The principle should be the 
same for VAT but the math might vary.

If you’re entering a transaction for the same payee, GnuCash will autofill the 
splits from the last entry for that payee. So if you’ve entered a split for 
GST, it will show up there. The difference then for each transaction will be 
your memo, possibly your income/expense account will need to change, and then 
the actual math, but the GST split will be added for you saving a few 
keystrokes.

In your case, for the item itself, enter the price as a formula and subtract the GST 
(I’m presuming it is inclusive) as "price / 1+(GST rate)”

So if your price inclusive of tax is $2.10 your formula is:

2.10 / 1.05lyl

which will give you your ‘pre-tax’ amount or in this example: $2.00

Then the GST split will automatically “be” the tax. (if you’ve already entered 
the opposing split)

If you want to double check it with a formula (helpful for more complicated 
entries with multiple other splits) then enter this as “price - (price / 1(GST 
rate)”

So the above example would be:

2.10 - (2.10 / 1.05)

Which would result in a GST split amount of $0.10.

Of course, these number look easy but the formulas work no matter how ‘messy’ 
the rate.

It isn’t automatic, but it does save time and is very easy to do, especially 
with practice.

Note, if you really need to enter the price for the item including GST, but 
also want a separate split to break it off to a GST Due or some such account, 
then you’ll need an additional split with a memo something like “GST/Tax 
Inclusive” and make it the reverse entry of the item. (so a credit to an 
expense account or a debit to a revenue/income account) and set its value to 
the amount of the GST split, thus your transaction will still balance.

For example:

Cr. Cash                $105
Dr. Expense:Supplies    $105
-memo “paper"
Cr. Expenses:Supplies   $5
-memo “GST Inclusive”
Dr. Expenses:GST        $5
-memo “GST 5%"

- or -

Dr. Cash                $105
Cr. Revenue:Sales       $105
-memo “widgets”
Dr. Revenue:Sales       $5
-memo “GST inclusive”
Cr. Liabilities:GST Due $5
-memo “GST 5%"

Of course, talk to a local CPA to make sure your reports are reflecting the 
proper amounts and adjust these entries as needed. These are just rough 
examples.

*Tip - because I pay different tax rates due to purchase location, I include 
the rate in the memo line for future reference should I need it. This too 
autofills not just from the previous entry, but if I start typing a name for 
the different jurisdiction, the previous rate and any other info from the most 
recent same memo gets auto-filled as well.

Also, while you can enter transaction from the General Journal, entering them 
from the account that the money is going to/from is less error prone. So if you 
are paying out of your checking account, enter the transaction from there, one 
of the splits will HAVE to be a credit to the checking account. The others are 
going to be debits to balance against it.

If you are receiving cash funds for example, then enter that in the Assets:Cash 
register as a debit and the other splits will have to be the offsetting 
credits. (likely an income/revenue account)

The advantage here is you won’t accidentally choose the wrong account to send 
or place the money, the only variable here is why it was spent or why it was 
received.

Regards,
Adrien



On Nov 10, 2018, at 3:09 PM, CHRISTOPHER PEARCE <fernwood...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all,

I would like Gnucash to automatically create a split transaction for sales
tax when a taxable product is bought/sold.  I deal with a lot of
transactions, and its a pain to manually enter the sales tax for each one.
I'd rather just work within the general ledger and have Gnucash do it
automatically.

For example, I buy a widget for $100 + 5% GST = $105.  I want Gnucash to
automatically create the split, and allocate $5.00 to the GST liability
account.

Of course, the ability to override the default 5% would be necessary.

Is what I'm asking for possible?  I'm not a programmer, so I realize this
may be a dumb question.

(Frist time on this mailing list, so apologies if I break etiquette)

Thanks,
Chris



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