On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 02:29:17PM +0000, Edward Bainton wrote: > I'm also a charity treasurer in the UK (tho I think officially I'm > called the secretary...). I'm on this list because I'd love to be able > to use GC for the charity finances, but the Gift Aid thing is a > significant hurdle to clear. > First, the church collections: it sounds as if you could possibly > simplify by using the [1]Small Donations Scheme, designed for exactly > that situation. Assuming no one puts in more than GBP30 in the plate > unenveloped, you can get GA on all donations in the plate, even if the > donor is unknown (as they will be) or some are known not to pay tax. > You only need an enveloped, personally identifiable donation if a > parishioner wants to donate more than GBP30 cash into the plate. I > don't know where your parish is, but I'm guessing unless it's Mayfair > the modal donation amount is well under 30 quid? Larger donors can be > encouraged to use a s/o (and will probably want to put a token amount > of cash in the plate, too).
Yes, I explored the government site about Gift-Aid and saw the new[ish] Small Donations Scheme. It does help but you need a 'good background' with HMRC to be able to use it. We do have that background so hopefully it does make things a bit simpler for us. However we do have people who put more than £30 in the plate especially now when services are not every Sunday. > Second, Rotary dinners: this is another case where, if it's applicable, > the Small Donations Scheme may make things easier. But if it's > _not_ applicable (and the money may be seen as a waiver rather than a > donation, which is not eligible for GA), I worry that even if you have > GA declarations from every member present at the dinner, you may not be > able to claim GA - because it won't be clear how much each member has > donated. Unless you can rely on every diner owing the same, every diner > having signed a GA declaration, and every diner contributing the same > amount more than their dues when it comes to settling the bill? > The extra headaches I'd love people's thoughts on are these: > How do you deal with a GA declaration 3 years (say) after the donation, > which says "I want the charity to treat all my donations in the past 4 > years as Gift Aid"? > And once you introduce that level of complexity, how can you be > absolutely sure you're claiming every GA donation once, and once only? > The only way I can manage is with a spreadsheet, which details the date > of declaration and the effective date (by default, date of signature > minus 4 years). Excel's hopeless at dates, but you can just about > bludgeon it into filtering out all donations by J. Bloggs that are > GA-able, versus his donations that are not. I haven't got this far, but > I assume another field against the donation for 'GA claimed no / GA > claimed dd mm yy' would prevent double-counting? > By the by, I suspect this is why there are so many proprietary donation > gateways that will take care of this for you - though how well they do > that, I don't know. (I just know PayPal is a nightmare.) And of course > they can't do the cash. It is rather a can of worms isn't it! I'm beginning to think that maybe my strategy of scanning and storing the scans of donors envelopes may well be the least worst solution. -- Chris Green _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list [email protected] To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
