On 2021-06-12 19:54, D. via gnucash-user wrote:
Jim,
I understand your complaint here, but it seems to me that the issue here is
that MacPorts is prepending its directories into the environment path. Because
they altered the path to prefer their own executables before the Apple supplied
ones, gnucash-cli fails. …
That is true but incomplete. The other part of the situation is that
GnuCash presents itself as two different executables, and in this case
the OS provides those two executables with two different environments,
and it leads to different behaviours by the two executables, which are
baffling to the user. GnuCash could perhaps reduce the bafflement, in
various ways.
…That doesn't seem to me to be a fault of Gnucash or its documentation.
Rather than "fault", I am thinking, what can GnuCash contribute to
making this situation better for its users?
I submit that installing packages with MacPorts or Homebrew has aspects
of installing application software, as well as aspects of altering the
OS. Installing application software is a reasonable thing for people to
do with their personal computers. I don't think its reasonable to say
that GnuCash should ignore the existence of MacPorts and Homebrew.
Does this situation ever occur on Linux? Do any Linux package managers
install a second instance of perl, which gnucash-cli picks up
differently than the GnuCash GUI does?
There are precedents for GnuCash adding code to achieve success despite
a complex environment, and to give good diagnostics when a failure
happens anyway. There is certainly precedent for GnuCash documentation
helping users understand those failures and work around them.
—Jim DeLaHunt
David
-------- Original Message --------
From: Jim DeLaHunt <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat Jun 12 21:31:41 EDT 2021
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GNC] gnucash-cli says, "No quotes retrieved. Finance::Quote isn't
installed properly" on macOS
On 2021-06-12 09:13, John Ralls wrote:
On Jun 12, 2021, at 12:22 AM, Jim DeLaHunt <[email protected]> wrote:
OK, I can understand that the MacPorts installation of perl may be configured
to look for perl packages in MacPorts locations, and ignore the system
locations. But I don't understand wny the GUI app of GnuCash apparently can
find Finance::Quote when run from the GUI, but the gnucash-cli app apparently
cannot. What is different?
Because applications started by LaunchServices don't get the environment from
your shell's startup files. That means GnuCash is running /usr/bin/perl, not
/opt/local/bin/perl but when you run a program from Terminal the environment is
read so gnucash-cli runs /opt/local/bin/perl.
Thank you, John, this explanation is very helpful. I can understand that
the GnuCash GUI and the gnucash-cli experience different environments,
especially different $PATH values, because the OS invokes them in
different environments.
But I find it very confusing to have gnucash-cli be presented as an
integral part of GnuCash, and all the references to a singular action of
"update Finance::Quote on the system", then have gnucash-cli behave
differently and require a different installation of Finance::Quote than
the GnuCash GUI.
It seems to me that if both gnucash-cli and the GnuCash GUI would invoke
the perl executable at an absolute path, then they would have consistent
behaviour. Thus I wonder why GnuCash lets the environment find the perl
executable.
I have filed Bug 798209, "gnucash-cli might not use the same perl and
Finance::Quote as GnuCash GUI",
<https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798209> , to track this.
My workaround as a MacPorts user: install Finance::Quote into the
MacPorts perl environment:
```
% port install p5-finance-quote
````
—Jim DeLaHunt
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