approved:fredteo123 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 01/06/04 05:13:56
Dear Teo, I see that I should have trascribed the KBM name as they spell in Devanagari as follows: Konknni Bhaxa Monddoll. The truth about x and sh is that very few Konkani speakers are able to pronounce the retroflex sh. No wonder the Goa Konkani Akademi has made a rule about using x in preference to sh, except when it is a name of a person, or if the word is recently borrowed with the spelling found in the original language. That means, all the older borrowings from Sanskrit have to be spelt with a x and not with sh. TSKK had taken this position even before this rule. M. Almeida, S.J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teotonio R. de Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Goa Research Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 1:23 AM Subject: [goa-research-net] Re: Sh or x in Konknni > > Dear Jorge, > > Dr. Mariano Saldanha seems to have observed the rules of Konknni grammar > construction , namely that when one does not add genitive ending twice to > adjective and noun qualified by it. Only the final noun takes the possessive > ending, while the previous adjective or adjectival noun (bhaxa in this case) > remains in the root-form. What would you say:"Hanv moje khas maincho put" or > hanv moje khaxa maincho put? (I am really my mother's son). > > As to the your second point on which you seek my clarification, why have you > chosen only Hindu proper names? Please find some common nouns or adjectives > that would present similar difficulty or doubt? As for the proper names I > write Souza, but many others write Sousa! Let those Hindu guys use sh or x, > whichever they may prefer! Incidentally, I wish you had posted the > following mail also to Tskk for its opinion as you did with the earlier > posting. They are better placed to continue assisting you than myself on > long-term > basis. My occupations may permit me only occasionally to make my views known > > > > Teotonio R. de Souza > > > From: "Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "Goa Research Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: sh or x in Konknni > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:36:14 +0100 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Dear Dr. Teotonio, > > Thank you very much. But ... Was Dr. Mariano Saldanha righty in writing > "Konknni Bhaxa Monddollache"? Wouldn't it be more correct to write "Konknni > Bhas Monddollache" or "Konknni Bhaxechea Monddollache"? (And I am glad to > learn that he wrote "Monddollache" and not "Manddallache" - it sounds better > and more appropriate). > > And, while we are at it, would it be approriate to transliterate that sound > by "x" at the end of a word also (e.g. Rupex, Nilex, Dubax) or should we in > such a case opt for "sh" (Rupesh, Nilesh, Dubash)? Many thanks for a > clarification on this. > > Jorge > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from Goa-Research-Net > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > * Send us a brief self-intro to justify your interest in this > "specialized" forum. This should be sent to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] or to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > * Send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NOT [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > * Leave SUBJECT blank > * On first line of the BODY of your message, type: > subscribe goa-research-net [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or > unsubscribe goa-research-net [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from Goa-Research-Net ------------------------------------------------------------------- * Send us a brief self-intro to justify your interest in this "specialized" forum. This should be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NOT [EMAIL PROTECTED]) * Leave SUBJECT blank * On first line of the BODY of your message, type: subscribe goa-research-net [EMAIL PROTECTED] or unsubscribe goa-research-net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -------------------------------------------------------------------
