Dear John,
Neither was I asked if I was a Mormon and I'm talking back in the days when it
wasn't available online but was homed at the National Archives and we had to
drive up there, pay a nominal charge for an account and then access it on
microfiche.
If only some 'Mormon' in Goa felt compelled to preserve records as the Mormons
in Utah do, we would all be in a better place.
One has to admire Qatar, they have preserved records pertaining to their
history with the Qatar Digital Library. These records don't belong to them,
they belong to the British Library but they have collaborated with them and set
up their own project to preserve and make available to the public their past.
Actually at one point I wanted to do something similar with all the research I
had which I had photocopied from various archives but I understand from my
techy husband that the cataloguing of it online is not a simple matter, it
requires very specialised software. So I gave up that idea. Also since 2016,
after photography became permissible in the archives, we all stopped
photocopying.
If only, if only, we were one bit as ambitious instead of looking for motives
everywhere.
Take care,Selma
On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 00:41:23 BST, John Nazareth
<[email protected]> wrote:
Whatever anyone believes cannot change what is reality in God’s eyes.
Because of that I’ve never had any reticence about using their database.
Their intentions are good and that is fine with me.
Incidentally, I was not asked whether I was a Mormon when I applied for an
account (which is free).
I have gone way before the 1914 date so it is now of little use to me.
But I take hope that if someone once persuaded the Goa government to let them
take photos of the documents from 1914 to 1980 then there is hope that we could
get earlier records done likewise if we “press the right buttons” so to speak.
Note that this data is useful for genealogy purposes only because it will not
be accepted as bonafide for any documentary purposes like passports.
John
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>On
Behalf Of Frederick Noronha
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2023 6:25 PM
To: Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [GRN] Document services (those who wanted the contact)
How did State records reach Mormon hands, but are still so difficult to access
for the average citizen from government sources in Panjim itself?
Please see the data collection that's happening when you try to access this
database. FN
Why does the Mormon Church want state records? And what do they do with them?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-05/why-does-the-mormon-church-want-state-records/9943288
Mormon Church Limits Access to Controversial Baptism Records (2012)
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/03/09/148318491/mormon-church-limits-access-to-controversial-baptism-records
Genealogy and the Mormon Archives
https://www.pbs.org/mormons/etc/genealogy.html
The Mormon/Jewish Controversy: What Really Happened
https://www.avotaynu.com/mormon.htm
On Sat, 6 May 2023 at 02:30, John Nazareth <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Selma
In working on one’s family tree this kind of service works sometimes, but not
others.
In cases where one is looking for records on specific people it is pretty good
and beats having to travel to Goa just to get what you need.
In my case as I wanted to build my tree backwards (to find my ancestors) and
then forwards again (to find my current day relatives) I needed to see the
books, locate potential records of interest, translate the key elements on the
spot and log them in a notebook. Then I came back home and created the tree.
This I did over 2 visits and made notes on 250 records.
Somehow the Archives let the Mormons take pictures of baptisms/marriages/death
records (by book page) for ever village from 1914 to around 1980. In Dec 2015
they digitized the photographs and put them online.
It would be good if the same could be done for records going back. The money
can easily be raised, but it needs the will in the part of the Archives.
John
From: 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2023 7:10 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GRN] Document services (those who wanted the contact)
The researcher has located the records I needed and applied for a copy of them.
All receipts associated with the cost of this search were emailed to me. I
found the rates to be very reasonable and the response time professional. Hope
this helps.
All best,
Selma
On Wednesday, 3 May 2023 at 16:48:11 BST, Frederick Noronha
<[email protected]> wrote:
So how does a private entity (without even a name mentioned on the
websitehttps://goadocuments.com/) manage to offer access to so many government
documents, old Portuguese passports from Goa,matriz records, property title
documents, property surveys, property identification by owners, notarial deeds
for properties, oldpara viagem documents ... which are next to impossible to
come by in the normal course in today's Goa? FN
On Wed, 3 May 2023 at 16:14, 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Frederick,
What do you propose I do? Run a criminal police check on the man? How about
electoral fraud or tax evasion? The man provides a service. In my opinion he
charges a nominal fee. If he delivers you continue with the relationship. If
not you move on. That is how capitalistic relationships work, isn't it?
Honestly, I find this Goan penchant for conspiracy theories quite exhausting. I
realise it's a sort of cultural thing. Every Goan has a conspiracy theory. They
are very suspicious of everyone and everything except their politicians and
homeopaths. Those they trust profoundly.
This is the reason I didn't want to share the contact.
All best wishes,
Selma
On Wednesday, 3 May 2023 at 10:34:18 BST, Frederick Noronha
<[email protected]> wrote:
Better to check credentials before sharing. Sometimes one comes across agents
who help in corrupting the system while acting as if they are offering
"solutions". The land sector too is full of such types. Part of the game can be
to make the official system "unworkable". FN
On Tue, 2 May 2023 at 23:36, 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear members,
Here is his website which offers a host of services among which is researching
documents.
https://goadocuments.com/
The email is: [email protected]
take care,
Selma
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