There are a lot of Africans in Portugal, not necessarily in Lisbon, where all tourists go. If one bothers to go a bit inside at the suburbia, one can find a lot of them. Most of them are really nice people, many of who unfortunately do not have good jobs, hence their lifestyle is not necessarily a posh one - they just get by. But many youngsters are doing well in studies, so there is a bright future awaiting them. Yes, a few armed robberies involving some of their youth have tarnished their image a bit, but overall the African people from Angola and other ex-colonies are great people of simple minds and good nature. I can say that from personal experience when I lived just outside Lisbon and did mingle with them like everybody else. I have never seen a single African dealing with drugs myself. I believe there is a specific area in Portugal called Casal Ventoso where there is an amnesty on drugs - taking or selling. Although many drug users are black, most dealers are not.
________________________________ From: 'Nuno Cardoso da Silva' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> Sent: 15 November 2023 17:03 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Responder: [GRN] Fw: A INVASÃO DOS GOESES Helga, No Africans in Lisbon? [Largo de São Domingos: o lugar da história africana de Lisboa] None of whom is selling drugs... LOL... Nuno Cardoso da Silva Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 8:35 AM From: "Helga Do Rosario Gomes" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Responder: [GRN] Fw: A INVASÃO DOS GOESES Well said, Vivek! Academics live in bubbles - I often have been accused of living in one too - probably so. On my last visit to Lisbon just before Covid I was surprised at how few Africans there were except for a few who tried to sell us drugs which i later heard were actually sugar - thankfully. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 14, 2023, at 18:12, John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> wrote: Poor Teófilo Braga! He believed that the Portuguese were among the “purest” races on earth. Apparently he also suffered from phobias and cleptomania. This may be the reason why he hated Mgr. Sebastião Rodolfo Dalgado, his colleague in the Faculdade de Letras of the Universidade de Lisboa. And yes, racism is a sensitive topic and being labeled as racists is usually painful to the Portuguese. Armando Cortesão once told me that the “Portuguese never committed racism anywhere in the world”. He was upset at Charles Boxer who demonstrated that there was racism in the Portuguese overseas territories. I did not say anything to him out of respect for the old man. The truth seems to be in the middle. There were some who were racists but many others who were not. And the Goans should keep in mind that there were racists among them as well. Mateus de Castro, praised by Dr. Teotônio ide Souza as an “unsung hero”, was not only a casteist but also a racist by his own description. Let the one without sin cast the first stone. John M. de Figueiredo Sent from my iPhone On Nov 14, 2023, at 10:23 AM, V M <[email protected]> wrote: Two observations: 1) The Portugal of today is markedly different from the country's ethos even 25 years ago and the main difference may be European union. My subjective opinion is it does *feel* somewhat - and occasionally significantly - less racist against Indian people, or more generally South Asians, than most of the rest of Europe. That's an impressive thing, in its own way. 2) Nonetheless, it would be too much to expect Portugal to be immune to racism of the right-wing European variant, and it never has been so. Yet, every single time racism in Portugal is broached as a topic, in my experience, the standard Portuguese response is stubborn denial that such a thing could ever be perceived in the first place. That itself is quite worrisome, as is the refusal to accept that others experience the society in different ways. On Tue, 14 Nov 2023, 17:24 'Nuno Cardoso da Silva' via Goa-Research-Net, <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: "The number of Portuguese that on their daily life are invited to go back to their lands when a minimal conflitual situation starts surely have reasons to doubt so." Yes, that does happen, but how often? Can those few instances tipify Portuguese behaviour? I sincerely doubt it. If you walk in Lisbon you only have to see the number of mixed couples and children of mixed blood (for the lack of another better way of saying it) to realize that ancestry is of very little importance to many - probably most - Portuguese people. Fortunately. We have always been a "mestiço" people and adding a few more genes does not frighten us... No such a thing as a "pure" Portuguese... Nuno Cardoso da Silva Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:34 AM From: "sandra lobo" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Responder: [GRN] Re: Fw: A INVASÃO DOS GOESES It must be quite unconsciously. The number of Portuguese that on their daily life are invited to go back to their lands when a minimal conflitual situation starts surely have reasons to doubt so. They share the problem of being black, Portuguese born in Brazil which is easily identifiable, etc. The case of the very small Goan community, for historical and social reasons, is an exception. In some cases we are speaking of pure racism, in other cases, of its variant, xenophobia. Sandra Ataíde Lobo [cid:99281577-2d06-49f0-972e-622ace48800b][cid:d0cdc6ba-0b48-4477-ab4b-296d63261ea3] [cid:6a12a3fa-db15-42b5-a6ea-0af35e772773] [cid:37225d58-78a5-4551-a8ba-dfc4d1b8ba2b] https://giepcip.wordpress.com/ https://praticasdahistoria.pt/ tmn. ++351 930690459 ________________________________ De: 'Nuno Cardoso da Silva' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Enviado: 13 de novembro de 2023 12:33 Para: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Assunto: Re: [GRN] Re: Fw: A INVASÃO DOS GOESES Whether consciously or unconsciously, the vast majority of Portuguese people feel that to be Portuguese only two conditions must be satisfied: 1. Wishing to be Portuguese 2. Being able to speak Portuguese Ancestry is of no concern... Nuno Cardoso da Silva Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 12:52 PM From: "'Pedro Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: "Goa-Research-Net" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [GRN] Re: Fw: A INVASÃO DOS GOESES If it was posted earlier, it was later changed with the phrase «Invasão dos goeses »Invasion by the Goans, with deep political significance, and circled after the fall of the Costa. On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 09:11:47 AM GMT, fredericknoronha <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: As a matter of detail, I don't think this has come up after the fall of Costa. It was posted on the Goychem Daiz-2 (Goan Heritage) group by Amalia Nazareth on Oct 28, 2023, and then too, after it was posted "many times" as WhatsApp puts it. See the attachment. 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