Dear Valmiki, My responses interspersed ... pls scroll ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Valmiki Faleiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi again, Miguel, my responses interspersed ... pls scoll.. > From: "Miguel Braganza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > =================================== > > If all GSB fled Goa due to "Portuguese persecution", how come 'Admiral' Timmaji Camotim [aka > > Kamath]was collaborating with Vasco da Gama from 1502 to 1508 from Honnavar, > > North Kanara, Karnataka state ? > > My limited understanding tells me that Timoja, a Vijayanagara warlord, who obviously hated > the Muslim Bijapuris then holding sway over Goa, was only, at that point of time, when Albuquerque > (not da Gama, as you mistype) planned to capture Goa, BASED in Honavar.
According to one version, Timmaji Camotim actually served in the Bijapur military in Goa before defecting to Vijayanagara kingdom. Perhaps he is the source of inspiration for the present folks in Adilshah's palace. > ============================== > > He brought Afonso de Albuquerque to Goa and > > stayed back here, not the other way round! > > I don't know ... but don't tell me he built the > Mhamai Kamat palatial residence next to the > Governor General's palace at Panjim (present > Secretariat, the Adilshah palace !!) According to one account Timmaji built his house in Ribandar, perhaps the Camotim house with an arched garage [ earlier an entry point for boats/path-mari ?] at the one-way road junction by the river. > =============================== > > > > Our history books tell us that the Kadamba dynasty was indigenous to Goa. > To my knowledge, Kadambas were from near Sirsi in > Karnataka and only for reasons of logistics, adopted > Chandrapura (Chandor) as their capital. The Bhats and Hegdes of Sirsi state that Banvasi, near Sirsi , was the Kadamba capital. Sondekars [Rajas of Saunda] are from nearby Yellapur and our previous V.C. Dr. Sonde , is one of their descendents! > ============================= > > In N.K. the books tell them that the capital of the Kadamba dynasty was at > > Banvasi, N.K. the local MP has a Kadamba Foundation > > [www.kadambafoundation.org ] Both the books cannot be right. > > Respect the right of every one to be entitled to his > or her opinion, Miguel! Academic *history* books > in the U.K. and Pakistan dub Shivaji a *mountain rat.* > You know how we revere his mere portraits with > incense sticks, maybe with good reasons of national > pride. > ==================== > > > M.V. Kamath at best belonged to a GSB gothra that transisted through Goa. > > Very interseting... which Gothra? Will you shed more > light on this (maybe in private mails to me, not many here > quite surely will be interested in the subject.) The topic of > gothras has always fascinated me. The word Gothra is derived from two words Go=cow and thral= shed. Families from each clan tied their cattle in a common cowshed and hence were know by the name of the leader of the clan. Herd mentality, actually. ========================== [ refer 'Inside Goa 'by > > Manohar Malgaokar] > > Yeah, the present *King of Good Times,* Vijay M, > should trace his family deity to Shree Mahalsa, > whose original seat, the Mahalsa Narayani Devalay, > at *Old Mardol* as you correctly point out, was > demolished by Portuguese missionaries in 1565. He does! > > But was Mhal Pai not from Cortalim, the first > convert in Salcete to Christianity? The present IDC Verna industrial estate is located partly [upto Airport road level] in Cortalim and partly in Verna-Pirni. Ancestral Mardol [ and the hotel by that name] are located on the Verna side. A little beyond this spot is Consua. Verna is in Salcet while Consua and Cortalim are not. I do not know exactly where Mhal Pai's house was > > Just maybe that Mhal Pai was the original *King of > Good times* in the sense that you seem to imply. More likely than not, he must have tasted the foreign spirit. > ====================== > > Who > > persecuted whom is a matter of perspective. > > If that's an empirical observation, I am entirely > with you on it. It happens even these days, like > with Girish Chodankar, outside the Goa Assemby. Four persons clashed in the Assembly precints; three were MLAs one was not. Let us see how Sardinha deals with the issue. Poor Serafin is no longer with the cherubins. He is in trishanku, suspended between heaven and Earth. I still remember him coming to arrest the soft spoken and sauve Architect S.A.Jawaid at Goa University instead of arresting a thug called Javed. He seems to get his arrests all mixed up. Occupational hazard? ======================== > Rgds, Valmiki > ======================= Viva Goa. Miguel _______________________________________________ Goajourno mailing list [email protected] http://puggy.symonds.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goajourno
