On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, ransdell, joseph m. wrote: > These suggestions do not > represent an alternative to the initiatives you have in mind, in the > sense of an alternative initiative, but I think you will agree that they > are relevant enough to be worth mentioning in this forum even if it > would not be to your purpose to pursue them further.
They are relevant enough to be mentioned in this Forum, and they have been mentioned. Now I will be very direct about why I have invoked cloture on them: This Forum's explicit agenda is to free the refereed journal literature online. There have been a number of alternative proposals for how to go about doing so, but there have also been a number of counterproposals, among them that we should NOT free the refereed literature online. These have been given airtime and duly rebutted. But there have also been various ostensibly friendly "enhancements" proposed, to broaden the agenda, among them Joseph Ransdell's "research community development" (RCD). RCD is a worthy, commendable objective, but it is not the objective of this Forum, and, worse, it is at odds with the objectives of this Forum in that it delays the freeing of the refereed literature, such as it is, now, instead making it somehow contingent or conditional on first solving the ostensibly bigger problems of RCD. Although the analogy is a bit shrill, it is rather like hijacking a campaign intended to get people to stop smoking now by focusing it instead on eliminating all environmental health hazards. The latter is a huge, open-ended goal; ending smoking is a circumscribed, defined and attainable goal, attainable right now. If I were running a Forum on putting an end to smoking, I certainly would not allow its focussed discussion to be diffused into global health problems, regardless of their worthiness (except if they have something specific and positive to offer toward ending smoking now). > 1) Support researchers who are doing RESEARCH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT for > their research fields based on use of the net as an open access > communicational medium. Commendable, but irrelevant to the specific, focused agenda of this Forum, which is to free the refereed journal literature now. > 2) Support changes in policy which recognize such development work as > research proper, hence supportable as a normal part of research. Laudable, but irrelevant (and potentially at odds with the Forum's agenda, inasmuch as such broader recognition systems are envisioned as alternatives to the refereed journal literature: develop them, test them, prove their worth, and then compare them with peer review; but meanwhile, let peer revew, and the freeing of the peer-reviewed corpus proceed apace, now). > 3) Extend such support to anyone attempting to empower their research > community communicationally, in the way described, regardless of whether > or not the facilities being developed have the same sort of research > function as the special kind of research server system Ginsparg > developed. Ditto. (See later posting on "Zeno's Paradox and the Optimal/Inevitable".) > 4) Extend such support regardless of whether or not the development > work has any special bearing on "freeing the refereed literature > on-line" A clear statement of the orthogonality of all this to the present Forum, at best. > Self-archiving is not of much interest to researchers except as a way of > making one's work available to a more or less definite research > community and it is research communities that must be encouraged rather > than individuals. A self-archiving initiative by itself makes no > effective contact with motivation. Correct. It merely frees the refereed journal literature, such as it is. And that is the objective of this Forum. Joseph has now sketched his broader RCD objective and I now suggest that a Forum be established somewhere to discuss it. But no more airtime in this Forum. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Stevan Harnad [email protected] Professor of Cognitive Science [email protected] Department of Electronics and phone: +44 23-80 592-582 Computer Science fax: +44 23-80 592-865 University of Southampton http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/ Highfield, Southampton http://www.princeton.edu/~harnad/ SO17 1BJ UNITED KINGDOM NOTE: A complete archive of this ongoing discussion of providing free access to the refereed journal literature is available at the American Scientist September Forum (98 & 99 & 00): http://amsci-forum.amsci.org/archives/American-Scientist-Open-Access-Forum.html You may join the list at the site above. Discussion can be posted to: [email protected]
