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Barbara Kirsop said:
> 'This exchange of messages is damaging to the List and
> to OA itself. I would like to suggest that those unhappy
> with any aspect of its operation
> merely remove themselves from the List. This is the normal
> practice.'
>
> A 'vote' is unnecessary and totally inappropriate.
Exactly, Barabara. These attempts to undermine Stevan are entirely misplaced
and exceedingly annoying. The nonsense about Stevan resigning, or changing his
moderating style, should not continue any further. It's taking up bandwidth,
boring everyone to blazes, and getting us precisely nowhere except generating
bad blood.
Let those who don't like the way Stevan moderates this list resign as is the
norm and, if they wish, start their own list where they can moderate (or not)
and discuss exactly as they think fit, if they believe they can handle things
better. Now that they all know who they are (and so do we), let them band
together, and get on with it together.
Those who do like the way Stevan moderates this list (his list), can stay and
continue discussing the things we, and he, think are important in the way the
list has always been handled. Goodbye, all those who wish things differently.
It's a shame that you're going but we wish you well and we will be relieved
when you cease despoiling this list with your carping.
Can I now appeal to those who opt to stay to start a new thread on something
important - and I suggest that the issue of research metrics is a prime
candidate. I particularly don't want to be too precise about that term
'metrics'. Arun (Subbiah Arunachalam) has just sent out to various people the
summary that the Washington Research Evaluation Network has published about -
er - research evaluation. One of the conclusions is that bibliometrics are
'flawed'. Many people would agree with that, but with conditions.
It is important to me in the context of a current project I am doing that I
understand what possibilities there are for measuring (not assessing or
evaluating, necessarily, but measuring) THINGS related to research.
Measurements may be such a thing as immediate impact, perhaps measured as usual
by citations, but I am also interested in other approaches, including long-term
ones, for measuring research activities and outcomes. We need not think only in
terms of impact but also in terms of outputs, effects, benefits, costs,
payoffs, ROI. I would like to hear about things that could be considered as
measures of research activity in one form or another. They may be quite
'wacky', and they may be things that are currently not open to empirical
analysis yet would seem to be the basis of sensible measures of research
outcomes. Any ideas you have, bring 'em on. Then the challenge is whether, in
an OA world, people will be able to develop the tools to make the
measures measurable. That's the next conversation.
Stevan, your incisive input is very welcome as always. And you may
quote/comment as much as you want. That is the unique value that you bring to
this list and why the vast majority of us are still here, right behind you.
Alma Swan
Key Perspectives Ltd
Truro, UK
