Dear Klaus I don't believe you are an idiot, but if you want to be taken seriously you must give the data to support your arguments. It was really interesting to see, for example, that the two papers you received were from our top 1% of researchers (Professors Large and Canty). Large h-index 12, 67 papers, 680 citations, paper 0 cites published 2007, Geology; Canty h-index 8, 111 papers, 294 citations, paper 0 cites published 2008, Chemistry.
Your queries were pitched right in the middle of the examinations period, and I am sure that even in Germany you would expect this to have consequences for responses. You also chose three geology papers, which we know here have some of the most restrictive copyright policies on the planet. The reasons are obvious: there is a lot of money involved in minerals exploitation (billions of dollars) and people pay very high prices for these journals. One paper (your second, from Education) is unpublished, for a reason I don't know, but in any case it is not yet public nor refereed. The remaining three are from political science (2) and chemistry (1). Since this is early days in the use of the button, I thought 2/6 (33%) is actually not a bad response even ignoring the time of the year. It is certainly a better access rate than 0/6, and better than non-mandatory OA deposit (around 10-15%). Obviously we in Tasmania need to do more work to educate our depositors to respond to 'reprint' requests, and we will. So maybe if I concede that the button is not infallible, perhaps you will concede that it is so far better than any non-mandatory deposit scheme known. I would be grateful if you would stop labelling all processes at the University of Tasmania that you don't agree with as Harnadian. I make up my own mind as to what to implement. Arthur Sale University of Tasmania -----Original Message----- From: American Scientist Open Access Forum [mailto:american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org] On Behalf Of Klaus Graf Sent: Saturday, 22 November 2008 2:05 PM To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: [AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM] Please Don't Conflate Green and Gold OA 2008/11/22 Arthur Sale <a...@ozemail.com.au>: > Klaus > > > > I find your conclusions regarding the "Request Button" unproven. > > > > . Firstly, it is obvious that the button "works" in the case of the > University of Tasmania. You got two papers, so the software works. That was'nt the point. Like Professor Harnad you seems to use a rabulistic discussion style. > . Secondly the sample was ridiculously small. This is true. So what? I requested 7 articles and received only 2. In find this a very poor result for a Harnadian patent recipe. > . Thirdly, you have given no indication of what you asked for. For > example if you had asked for a thesis, the following could have happened: I did'nt ask for a thesis. Do you think I am an idiot not knowing what OA a la Harnad means? I asked for the following papers: Reading, AM and Kennett, BLN and Goleby, B (2007) New constraints on the seismic structure of West Australia: Evidence for terrane stabilization prior to the assembly of an ancient continent? Geology, 35 (4). pp. 379-382. ISSN 0091-7613 Reading_2007_Geology.pdf Smith, KH (2006) Promoting innovation in Australia: business and policy issues. Discussion Paper. Australian Business Foundation, Sydney. InnovationKnowledgeEconomyFull.pdf Kellow, AJ and Haward, M and Welch, K (2005) Salmon and Fruit Salad: Australia's Response to World Trade Organisation Quarantine Disputes*. Australian Journal of Political Science, 40 (1). pp. 17-32. ISSN 1036-1146 K4H24P2700606224.pdf Cooke, DR and McPhail, DC (2001) Epithermal Au-Ag-Te Mineralization, Acupan, Baguio District, Philippines: Numerical Simulations of Mineral Deposition. Economic Geology, 96 (1). pp. 109-131. ISSN 0361-0128 Cooke_McPhail_ECON_GEOL_2001.pdf Haward, M and Rothwell, DR and Jabour, J and Hall, R and Kellow, AJ and Kriwoken, L and Lugten, GL and Hemmings, AD (2006) Australia's Antarctic agenda. Australian Journal of International Affairs, 60 (3). pp. 439-456. ISSN 1035-7718 CAJI_A_186498_O.pdf Large, RR and Maslennikov, V and Robert, F and Danyushevsky, LV and Chang, Z (2007) Multistage sedimentary and metamorphic origin of pyrite and gold in the giant Sukhoi Log deposit, Lena gold province, Russia. Economic Geology, 102 (7). pp. 1233-1267. ISSN 0361-0128 Multistage_Sedimentary.pdf [received] Canty, AJ and Deverell, JA and Gomann, A and Guijt, RM and Rodemann, T and Smith, JA (2008) Microfluidic Devices for Flow-Through Supported Palladium Catalysis on Porous Organic Monolith. Australian Journal of Chemistry, 61 (8). pp. 630-633. ISSN 0004-9425 AustJChem_2008.pdf [received] Klaus Graf