I would like to support Stevan on this.

The concepts of relative autonomy of the scientific community (Robert K. Merton)
and of symbolic capital (Pierre Bourdieu) have been designed by these
sociologists of science precisely to show that economic matters, if they appear
at all in scientific matters, and research more generally, do so in a translated
mode that is largely controlled by the values and rules of engagement of these
communities. This is the reason why scientists can still pursue problems of no
direct economic interest. This is what Merton called the scientific ethos
(communalism, disinterestedness, organized skepticism, etc..)

Commercial journals got involved in this process late in the game, and they
became dominant even later (after the 60's). They are the only ones having
something to do with the scientific process that speak from a strictly economic
perspective, and that has messed up the process quite a bit, alas.

Jean-Claude Guédon

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Jean-Claude Guédon
Professeur titulaire
Littérature comparée
Université de Montréal


Le lundi 07 novembre 2011 à 07:04 -0500, Stevan Harnad a écrit :

      On 2011-11-07, at 3:30 AM, Allen Kleiman wrote:


            Authors do not write for free. 

            1.  Publication = Tenure = Promotion = Money!

            2. Publication = Prestige = Speaking Engagements =
            Money!

            3. Publication = Professorships = Money!

            4. and etc.



      Not a single penny of that Money is paid to authors by *publishers*,
      in exchange for being *given* their paper, cost-free, to go ahead
      and sell. So it is *completely* irrelevant. That is the point you
      keep missing in your analogy to auto re-sale.



      When you sell a car that you designed and built to a vendor, the
      vendor pays you for it, in exchange for the right to sell it to
      someone else. If you happen to win an award for the auto design from
      your design institute, *that's not the vendor paying you for the
      right to sell your car.*



      The only essential service a journal provides is the one you kept
      referring to as "verification of its reliability and safety by two
      or three mechanics of questionable qualifications and skill
      [likewise for free]" -- Yet it's in exchange for that [peer
      review]-- and not for cash -- that authors give publishers their
      paper to sell, royalty-free.



      Green Open Access to the author's refereed final draft online is
      provided by the author as a supplement, so that his paper's research
      uptake, usage, citations and impact (which are what generate the
      Tenure, Promotion, Prestige, Speaking Engagements, Professorships --
      and research progress) can be provided by *all* its would-be users,
      not only by those whose institutions can afford to subscribe to the
      publisher's version of record.



      Scrap the car-sale analogy. It simply does not fit the subtle and
      unique case of refereed research publication of impact-seeking (not
      royalty-seeking) work.



      Stevan Harnad



      On 2011-11-06, at 4:08 PM, Allen Kleiman wrote:

            Is this a matter of 'commerce'?


      Yes indeed, but definitely not commerce along the lines of the
      analogy you describe below:

            Suppose I own a car and [1] offer it for sale to a
            rental company with [2] the verification of its
            reliability and safety by two or three mechanics of
            questionable qualifications and skill. However, [3] I
            want to include a condition of sale that the buyer will
            make the car available to all the poor people in my town
            for free since they can't afford to pay for the rental.
             
            When a Publisher offers to print an article -- certified
            by referees of questionable repute -- and [4] absorbs
            the cost of publication, distribution, and etc., isn't
            he entitled to [5] retain the rights of sale?



      Now let me count the myriad ways your analogy fails:



       [1] offer [car] for sale: No, authors don't sell but give their
      paper to the publisher. They don't ask or get a penny in return.



       [2] verification of [car's] reliability: The referees, too, offer
      their services for free -- but to the publisher, not the author.



       [3] condition[s] of sale: No sale, no sale conditions. Author gives
      the paper to the publisher for free.



      [4] cost of publication, distribution, and etc.  In exchange for
      managing and certifying the outcome of the refereeing ("by referees
      of questionable repute"), the author gives the publisher is given
      all rights to sell, on paper or online.



      [5] retain the rights of sale:  In exchange for managing and
      certifying the outcome of the refereeing ("by referees of
      questionable repute"), the author gives the publisher is given all
      rights to sell, on paper or online.



      In addition, the author simply places a free copy of the author's
      final draft ("certified by referees of questionable repute") online
      for those who cannot afford to pay for access to the publisher's
      version of record, on paper or online.



      That's Green OA.




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