[I've reposted this from Thierry Chanier, adding an English
translation of the GFII working group's Statement excerpt -- just in
case any AmSci readers think the apparent vacuity of the GFII
statement is owing to an uncertain grasp of French: No it isn't. It
really is that vacuous in French too! -- SH]

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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:28:43 +0100
From: Thierry CHANIER thierry.chanier -- univ-bpclermont.fr
To: [email protected]
Subject: Interference in the scientific process by French private
publishers: the case of Heloise

Dear all,

We already mentioned on this list the fact that a site has been
launched so French publishers can present their policies with respect
to deposit in open archives :
http://heloise.ccsd.cnrs.fr/

It may sound strange to have such site given that there already exists
the Sherpa/Romeo one. French private publishers have had the
opportunity  for years to present  their policies in Romeo. What could
be the rational for having another site ?  Do French private
publishers have problems reading English ?  Do they want to cut the
French off from the rest of the international  community ?

But more embarrassing is the fact that Heloise has been set up on a
public server (by the CNRS and the same institute as the one in charge
 of HAL, the national open archive system) as the result of an
agreement  with the SNE (which represents the commercial French
publishers -- publishers in general, not necessarily related to
Scientific  publishing) and the GIFF (groupement francais de
l'industrie de  l'information).

On the GFII web site, there is a page about a SIG dealing on OA issues
: 
http://www.gfii.fr/fr/document/groupe-de-travail-gfii-sur-le-libre-acces-br-mise-en-ligne-de-la-synthese-des-discussions-et-des-recommandations

Some private publishers have made a common statement with scientists
(representing national research centres, please find the list at the
end of this message) where they refer to the way scientific policy
should be undertaken with respect to our research institutions and
disciplines , e.g. :

"...C'est pourquoi le libre accès suscite des polémiques non seulement
 entre institutions de recherche et éditeurs, mais aussi a l'intérieur
 même du monde de la recherche et de ses instances décisionnelles. Le
groupe de travail du GFII a centré sa réflexion sur les productions
scientifiques que constituent les articles. Le document de synthèse
insiste notamment sur la nécessité de  raisonner par discipline,
pluridiscipline ou interdiscipline. Pour  être efficace, la diffusion
de l'information scientifique et technique  doit être adaptée à un
champ donné. Une discipline se définit  notamment par la communauté
scientifique qui lui est associée, son  histoire, ses objets et ses
méthodes, son caractère plus ou moins  transversal, l'échelle de temps
concernée et le caractère local ou au  contraire international de
l'objet de la recherche…."

"…This is why open access generates polemics not only between
research institutions and publishers, but even within the research
world and its authorities. The GFII working group focussed its
deliberations on scientific output that takes the form of articles.
The summary document lays particular emphasis on the need to reason by
discipline, pluri-discipline or inter-discipline. To be effective, the
dissemination of scientific and technical information must be adapted
to each given field. A discipline defines itself by the scientific
community associated with it, its history, its subjects and methods,
its more or less cross-sectional character, the time scale in
question, and the local or international character of the topic of the
research…."

Is it appropriate to have Elsevier, Lavoisier, Cairn, Masson, etc.
tell us how disciplines should be organized in France, how we should
do our research work and publish it  ?What is the next step ?  Will
the GFII and private publishers enter into the national public
research Agency AERES (which has undertaken something similar  to the
UK-Research Assessment Exercise) and tell us which journals  should be
classified per discipline as Rank A, B or C, because they have private
interests in them  ?

I have nothing against private publishers publishing some of the work
in the scientific domain, but there should be no confusion between
publishing the search and having any say in the research process
(other than the substantive scientific editing itself). I am not aware
of such interference by the private sector into the  research process
in other countries.

I would really welcome feedback from colleagues on this list about  this issue.

Thank you in advance.

Cordialement
Thierry Chanier

More information below:

****** List of signatures of GFII SIG working group on OA *****
Les membres du groupe de travail

    Catherine Blache, SNE
    Jean-Marc Bocabeille, Lavoisier
    Hélène Bourguignon, Presses de Sciences Po
    Jean-Frank Cavanagh, Reed Elsevier
    Ghislaine Chartron, CNAM
    Daniel Confland, Jouve, GFII
    Rachel Creppy, MESR
    Hans Dillaerts, doctorant INTD
    Nathalie Duchange, INSERM
    Jean-Jacques Evesque, Masson
    Nathalie Ferrand-Larmanjat, PUF
    Herbert Gruttemeier, INIST-CNRS
    Agn=E8s Henri, EDP Sciences
    Odile Hologne, INRA
    Emmanuelle Jannes-Ober, CEMAGREF
    Gilles Lambert, FNPS
    Marie-Anne Leriche, CEA
    Ruth Martinez, GFII
    Marc Minon, Cairn.info
    Christophe Perales, SCD Université de Versailles - 
Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines
    Nicole Pinhas, INSERM
    Sébastien Riault, Armand Colin
    Jean-Louis Soubret, Necplus
    Catherine Thiolon, Quae/INRA
    Michel Vajou, MV Études et Conseil

    *******************************
The current lists of journals in Humanities classified by AERES :
http://www.aeres-evaluation.fr/Publications/Methodologie-de-l-evaluation/Listes-de-revues-SHS-sciences-humaines-et-sociales

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