Arthur,

I am amazed... Do you mean that social scientists are not scientists?
You might recall the etymology of the word "statistics" (e.g. 
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=statistics ).
A (regrettably) large majority of economists are actual mathematicians. 
Demographers... what do they do all day long? Quantitative sociologists, 
geographers? Are they all in literature?

Serge Bauin
Formerly sociologist, initial training in engineering
CNRS


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Arthur Sale
Envoyé : mardi 17 septembre 2013 00:42
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Objet : [GOAL] Re: Open access research: some basics for scientists

Heather

I agree with you and endorse your comments. However, there is a caveat: some 
questions addressed in open access are indeed scientific, and not social 
scientific. I think of measuring adoption rates, deposit delays, bibliometrics, 
etc from analyses of public data on the Internet or services such as ISI and 
Scopus.  

To be sure (and this I think you missed and should have mentioned) a reasonably 
good knowledge of statistics is also necessary (generally). Many agricultural 
scientists and medical scientists would meet this criterion far better than 
most social scientists. Many engineers would also have a better grasp of using 
complex mathematical tools such as chaos theory, fractals, and fourier 
analysis. It isn't black vs white.

Arthur Sale
University of Tasmania

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Heather Morrison
Sent: Tuesday, 17 September 2013 2:04 AM
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Open access research: some basics for scientists

As the OA movement continues to gain steam, we are seeing scholars with a 
background in sciences take a keen interest and even develop surveys and such. 
While the enthusiasm is welcome, from what I am seeing in several instances 
now, is that scientists do not necessarily understand how to go about social 
science research.

A scholar with a background in chemistry doing social science research with no 
training is not unlike a social scientist with no training in chemistry walking 
into a lab and playing about (although the potential damages are generally of a 
different nature).

Scientists doing social science research:

-       should be aware of research ethics requirements - at universities in
North America, for example, you must get a research ethics clearance to conduct 
survey or interview research
-       should understand the methodology used and its limitations
-       should know the area. A poorly conducted survey by someone who is
not an expert on the topic surveyed may be more damaging than helpful. For 
example, the way questions are framed shapes how people understand the topic. 
Before you develop a survey on open access, you should be aware that there are 
least two basic approaches (green and gold), and if asking questions about 
gold, you should be aware that this is not equivalent to the article processing 
fee business model

best,

--
Dr. Heather Morrison
Assistant Professor
École des sciences de l'information / School of Information Studies University 
of Ottawa

http://www.sis.uottawa.ca/faculty/hmorrison.html
[email protected]

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