Could we make sure that we do not use "Gold" too quickly as a synonym for "author-pay Gold". I meet ever more frequently with this confusion and I think it deeply affects the quality of our analyses and strategies.
Jean-Claude Guédon Le dimanche 17 novembre 2013 à 17:38 -0500, Peter Suber a écrit : > I hope that Dutch researchers will seize the opportunity that > Wouter Gerritsma describes, and save the Netherlands from repeating > the mistake of the UK. > > > Note, however, that the Netherlands has flirted with gold OA mandates > at least twice before, and in both cases prior to the Finch report in > the UK. > > > > 1. In a November 2009 interview, Henk Schmidt, Rector of Erasmus > University Rotterdam, described his plans to require OA, with a > preference for gold over green. "I intend obliging our researchers to > circulate their articles publicly, for example no more than six months > after publication. I'm aiming for 2011, if possible in collaboration > with publishers via the 'Golden Road' and otherwise without the > publishers via the 'Green Road'." > http://web.archive.org/web/20100213075122/http://www.openaccess.nl/index.php?option=com_vipquotes&view=quote&id=30 > > > However, in September 2010, he announced the university's new OA > policy, which is green. > http://rechtennieuws.nl/30283/als-je-niet-gelezen-wordt-bestaat-je-werk-niet-erasmus-universiteit-zet-in-op-open-access-publiceren.html > http://roarmap.eprints.org/295/ > > > 2. In January 2011, J.J. Engelen, Chairman of the NWO (Nederlandse > Organisatie voor Wetenschappelijk Onderzoek), described his preference > for a future gold OA policy. "These goals of scientic publishing are > best reached by means of an open access publishing business > model....Open access publishing should become a requirement for > publicly funded research. In order to make open access publishing a > success, the enthusiastic cooperation of the professional publishing > companies active on the scientific market is highly desirable." > http://dx.doi.org/10.3233/ISU-2011-0622 > > > Peter > > > Peter Suber > bit.ly/petersuber > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Gerritsma, Wouter > <wouter.gerrit...@wur.nl> wrote: > > @Stevan, > > > > Yes Stevan the Dutch secretary of educationhis letter has > quite a bit of the Finch tone in it. But there are also some > opportunities in his letter for repositories. Dekker actually > asks for exact figures on OA in the Netherlands. > > > > "To obtain insight into the situation I request the > universities, KNAW and NWO to provide numbers on Open Access > publications through the various clearly defined variants of > OA." > > > > In the Netherlands we have of course Narcis > http://www.narcis.nl already, a comprehensive repository of > nearly all OA publications in the Netherlands. But counting OA > publications only is not sufficient. That is a small mistake > in Dekker his letter. What is less well known is that all > Dutch universities have to report to ministry of Education all > the scientific output as well. This happens through the VSNU > > http://www.vsnu.nl/files/documenten/Feiten_en_Cijfers/Scientific_Research_Agreed_Definitions__def_2011_IRRH-20110624.pdf > > > > > If due to this letter of Dekker it was decided that all > reports on the output of the Dutch Science system to the > ministry would be based on the full registration of all output > registered in Narcis, on top of all OA publications it already > registers, the underlying repositories would be in a much > better position. If only Narcis takes up its responsibility > and makes reports along the lines I did nearly 2 years ago > > http://wowter.net/2012/02/10/a-census-of-open-access-repositories-in-the-netherlands/ > the repository infrastructure in the Netherlands would be reinforced as > well. > > > > So apart from the fact that OA is on the political agenda in > the Netherlands, there is an important momentum for Dutch > repositories to seize right now. > > > > All the best > > Wouter > > > > > > > > > Wouter Gerritsma > > Team leader research support > > Information Specialist – Bibliometrician > > Wageningen UR Library > > PO box 9100 > > 6700 HA Wageningen > > The Netherlands > > ++31 3174 83052 > > wouter.gerrit...@wur.nl > > wageningenur.nl/library > > @wowter > > wowter.net > > > > > > From: goal-boun...@eprints.org > [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Stevan Harnad > Sent: zaterdag 16 november 2013 21:50 > To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) > Cc: LibLicense-L Discussion Forum; jisc-repositories > Subject: [GOAL] The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK & > Netherlands: Part I > > > > > > The UK and the Netherlands -- not coincidentally, the home > bases of Big Publishing for refereed research -- have issued > coordinated statements in support of what cannot be described > other than as a publisher's nocturnal fantasy, in the face of > the unstoppable worldwide clamour for Open Access. > > Here are the components of the publishers' nocturnal: > > (1) Do whatever it takes to sustain or increase your current > revenue streams. > > (2) Your current revenue streams come mainly from > subscriptions. > > (3) Claim far and wide that everything has to be done to > sustain publishers' subscription revenue, otherwise publishing > will be destroyed, and with it so will peer review, and > research itself. > > (4) With (3) as your justification, embargo Green OA > self-archiving for as long as possible, and fight against > Green OA self-archiving mandates -- or make sure allowable > embargoes are as long as possible. > > (5) Profess a fervent commitment to a transition to full 100% > immediate OA -- but Gold OA, on your terms, in such a way as > to ensure that you sustain or increase your current revenue > streams. > > (6) Offer hybrid Gold OA and promise not to "double-dip." That > will ensure that your subscription revenues segue seamlessly > into Gold OA revenues while maintaining their current levels. > > (7) To hasten the transition, offer even Bigger Big Deals to > cover subscriptions at the national level (as you had always > dreamt of doing) until all payment is safely converted (Gold) > OA. > > (8) Encourage centralized, collective payment of Gold OA fees > too, in even Bigger Deals, so Gold OA can continue to be > treated as annual institutional -- preferably national -- > payments rather than as piecewise payments per individual > article. > > (9) Persuade governments to mandate, subsidize and prefer Gold > OA rather than mandating Green OA > > (10) Make sure Green OA is perceived as delayed OA (because of > your embargoes!), so that only Gold OA can be immediate. > > (11) Mobilize the minority OA advocates who are in a great > hurry for re-use rights (CC-BY, text-mining, republication) to > support you in your promotion of Gold OA and demotion and > embargoing of Green OA. > > (12) Cross your fingers and hope that the research community > will be gullible enough to buy it all. > > There is, however, a compeletely effective prophylactic > against this publisher fantasy (but it has to be adopted by > the research community, because British and Dutch Ministers > are apparently too vulnerable to the publishing lobby): > > > (a) Research funders and institutions worldwide adopt > an immediate-deposit mandate, requiring, as a > condition of funding, employment and evaluation, that > all researchers deposit their final, peer-reviewed > drafts in their institutional repositories immediately > upon acceptance for publication, regardless of whether > they are published in a subscription journal or a Gold > OA journal -- and regardless of whether access to the > deposit is made Green OA immediately or only after a > publisher embargo. > > (b) Do not mandate or designate any extra money to pay > for Gold OA: let that come from the subscription > cancellation savings -- if and when Green OA actually > releases institutions to cancel subscriptions. > > (c) To tide over research access needs during any > embargo, make sure to implement the institutional > repository's automated copy-request Button so that any > user can request -- and any author can provide -- a > single copy for research purposes with just one click > each. > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Now please read how fully the Dutch government fell for the > publishing lobby's nocturnal fantasy. (Tomorrow you will see > the same from the UK.) > > Here is a quick google translation of excerpts from Sander > Dekker, Secretary of Education, Culture and Science, > Netherlands on "Commitment to further developments in open > access scientific publication" > > Sander Dekker, Secretary of Education, Culture and Science, > Netherlands: > > "A clear choice in favour of Open Access publications; the > transition process provides the necessary speed and shortens > the transition period, thus avoiding unnecessary additional > costs... . > > "The Green road is the form in which the author publishes an > article in a journal. In addition, the author deposits a > version of the article in Open Access electronic archive > ( repository ). There are both discipline-based and > university-based repositories. The system of paid > subscriptions to journals continues. Publishers often > negotiate embargo periods that can range from several months > to several years before an article can be made OA through a > repository. During the embargo period, only the paid version > of the journal accessible. This constitutes a source of > revenue for publishers. Moreover, there are publisher > restrictions on the version of an article in the repository. > Sometimes this may only be the version that has not yet been > peer reviewd... > > "Netherlands is in a special position because it has a number > of major scientific publishers within its borders. That makes > dialogue between science and the Dutch publishing possible... > > "In the UK, a national committee chaired by Dame Janet Finch > laid the foundation for the Open Access policy of the United > Kingdom. The report of the Commission Finch serves as a solid > standard . It contains a thorough analysis of developments and > progress. The Committee notes that due to the major changes it > is imperative that all players act together and she advises to > achieve by focusing on Open Access journals. Transition > Following this advice, the British government earmarked 10 > million pounds for Open Access. The initial signs indicate > that this has not led to an accelerated transition , but > rather a continuation of the transition... > > "The transition to the Golden Road: My preference is for Open > Access publishing in journals that make their articles > accessible free, the Golden road. My aim is to achieve OA > within ten years: a full transition to Open Access Golden Road > by 2024. to achieve this, at least 60 percent of the > scientific publications Open Access should be available in > about five years through the Gold OA journals... > > "The real change can only be achieved if we work together at > the international level with National cooperation and > coordination equally important... > > "Open Access in the coming years: Dutch universities, KNAW and > NWO should give priority to Open Access Golden road... > > "While the publishers have not yet made the transition to Open > Access Golden road I prefer hybrid Open Access, where the > institution pays for publication in a traditional journal... > > "For disciplines where the potential for Gold Open Access > journals is still limited, it is possible to provide OA via > the Green road... > > "1. Consultation with likeminded countries: I will get in > touch with a number of like-minded countries to promote and > acceleration Open Access. I refer primarily to the United > Kingdom and Germany . This is because there are a large number > of important commercial and academic publishers in the > Netherlands and in these two countries i. In addition, > Denmark, Finland, Belgium and France are leading like-minded > countries... > > "2. Create conditions under which open access possible: An > important momentum in the transition to Open Access > publications when the scientific organizations and major > scientific publishers agree on subscriptions to scientific > journals . This 'big deals' always apply for some years…." > > "3. reports: If the parties concerned are not sufficiently > committed , or developments in insufficient progress , the > minister and I imagine that the obligation to publish Gold OA > to be included in the Law on Higher Education in 2016 Open > Access and Research Act (WHW )…." > > Sander Dekker, Secretary of Education, Culture and Science, > Netherlands > > > > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > GOAL@eprints.org > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > GOAL@eprints.org > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal -- Jean-Claude Guédon Professeur titulaire Littérature comparée Université de Montréal
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