Dear List Members,
I have received a number of off list replies to this message below. Based on that feedback I am asking list members not to post messages to GOAL that are CC'd to other lists, or messages where the TO field includes other lists. Richard Poynder GOAL Moderator From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Poynder Sent: 29 December 2013 16:58 To: 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)' Subject: [GOAL] Restriction of discussion on GOAL mailing list Dear Peter, It is true that I emailed you and Stevan and suggested that since you had both stated your views quite clearly on the topic, and were unlikely to agree with one another, then it might be best to leave it at that in order not to overload list members. I did not refuse to post any messages; I asked if you might be willing to refrain, and you agreed. To go one step further back, I had asked Stevan if he would mind not posting the full text of the message you objected to, since I had noticed that he had already posted it on his blog: http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1092-I-dont-want-free-onli ne-access-I-want-free-online-access-with-re-use-rights!.html Stevan agreed to link to it instead here: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002585.html. You then brought some of his points back to GOAL in order to respond to Stevan's blog post: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002587.html However, last night Joe Kraus responded to a copy of the message that I assume was posted on the SPARC Forum (to which it seems Stevan copied the full text of his message, not the link), and to which GOAL was also copied: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002592.html Stevan's SPARC Forum message is here: https://groups.google.com/a/arl.org/forum/#!topic/sparc-oaforum/l7ab6s3Fjdc In the circumstances, it seemed only reasonable to allow Stevan to respond to Joe's message, so I posted Stevan's response: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002593.html At that point Jan Velterop also made a contribution: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002595.html To which Stevan responded: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002596.html At least that is how I assume the process unfolded. Can I suggest that one way we might avoid this kind of situation is for list members not to cross post to multiple lists? So my question is: would anyone object to our agreeing that, in order to avoid confusion, when list members send messages to GOAL they do not copy other lists into the same message? Richard Poynder GOAL Moderator >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Murray-Rust <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: "Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: LibLicense-L Discussion Forum <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >, SPARC Open Access Forum <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:38:20 +0000 Subject: Restriction of discussion on GOAL mailing list Richard, I would be grateful if you could post the following message verbatim to the GOAL list - it is likely to be my last. In a recent post to the GOAL list (http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002585.html ) Stevan Harnad put forward 10 reasons why immediate non-BOAI access is better than BOAI access. I felt that these needed to be challenged and replied to two points: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002587.html and http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002589.html You then mailed me and asked me not to post any more such messages on the GOAL list. I note however that you have allowed SH to continue arguing his case. http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002593.html My messages challenged the postings, not the person. I had assumed that the GOAL list would allow a balanced debate and am sad to find it will not allow one. It is a pity that there is no forum or body which allows constructive debate on Open Access - and that is one reason why I and colleagues have set up https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/open-access. Peter
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