Hi Stevan
if you want to get commitmentfrom the scientific community, please stop telling
that we are stupid ("they don't understand"), afraid and lazy. This is just the
same speech that scientists are accustomed to hear from their governments and
ministries. I am one of those scientists convinced that OA is good and
important, following the green road more than the gold and opposed to APC; but
I am also solidaire with my colleagues. They are neither stupid nor afraid or
lazy, but their interests and motivations and opinions are different from
yours. And if you want to convince them, you should not offend them/us.
Kind regards,
Joachim.
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De: "Stevan Harnad" <[email protected]>
À: "Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)" <[email protected]>
Envoyé: Mercredi 17 Juin 2015 15:39:12
Objet: [GOAL] Re: Google Scholar's Anurag Acharya on Repository Indexability
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Wilhelmina Randtke < [email protected] >
wrote:
Nope, this presentation doesn't mean that content is the only thing that
matters.
The presentation gives specific ways to ensure repository content is indexed in
Google web search and in Google Scholar. Some of this is for developers, but
lots of it is easy for a non technical person to do - like making a sitemap
available. And, when something is easy to do in a popular repository platform,
the presentation notes that - like hey there's a setting in Dspace to turn on a
sitemap.
Being easy to find matters and this has good info on that. Has anyone out there
not been asked by a faculty member whether stuff in the repository will show in
Google Scholar?
-Wilhelmina Randtke
Nope, I didn't say that (OA repository) content is the only thing that matters.
But if the repository does not have the content, then content is indeed the
only thing that matters.
No matter how googleable your repository is, if it doesn't have the content, it
won't be googled.
Nope, the reason authors don't deposit their content is not because they are
afraid that it won't be googleable.
The reason is that (1) they don't understand OA, (2) they are afraid that it
might be illegal to deposit, and (3) they are lazy:
http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/self-faq/
And yes, the only cure for this is effective OA mandates from the institutions
and funders.
Nope, that's not what the Anurag presentation was about (I didn't say it was).
Anurag's presentation was about how to make repository content more googleable.
I added the part that to make repository content googleable the content has to
be in the repository -- and effective mandates are the way to make sure it is.
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On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:18 AM, Stevan Harnad < [email protected] > wrote:
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Most repository queries and referrals come from google scholar and google
users. So it is crucial to get repository contents well indexed by google.
Here are some tips from Google Scholar's Anurag Acharya:
http://www.or2015.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/or-2015-anurag-google-scholar.pdf
This is a good occasion to repeat also an important fact about Open Access
Repositories:
OA Repositories' problem is not lack of searchability or of indexability or of
search/index tools and services.
Their problem is lack of OA content.
The cure is effective OA mandates -- not waiting for better search/index tools.
Vincent-Lamarre, Philippe, Boivin, Jade, Gargouri, Yassine, Larivière, Vincent
and Harnad, Stevan (2015) Estimating Open Access Mandate Effectiveness: I. The
MELIBEA Score. (JASIST, in press) http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/370203/
Swan, Alma; Gargouri, Yassine; Hunt, Megan; & Harnad, Stevan (2015) Open Access
Policy: Numbers, Analysis, Effectiveness . Pasteur4OA Workpackage 3 Report.
http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/375854/
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