goanet-digest Monday, April 29 2002 Volume 01 : Number 3902
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[The Goan Forum d-list] Re: [Goanet] India being MODIfied!
Re: [Goanet] Mental health -- a Goan myth
[Goanet] PARRIKAR SENSES IMPENDING DEFEAT
[Goanet] FW: Untold story of Godra, India
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:53:55 +0400
From: "Sunila Muzawar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [The Goan Forum d-list] Re: [Goanet] India being MODIfied!
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>Subject: [Goanet] India being MODIfied!
>Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 06:47:10 -0700 (PDT)
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>TGF comment:[ For a country which is known the world
>over for its peaceful people (the Partition exception
>having been noted), this carnage is absolutely
>horrifying.
>
>For years, we have assigned the blame for such
>horrible acts (and rightly so) to the British for
>Jallianwalla Bagh & the Portuguese for the
>Inquisition.
And rightly so !!! I will focuss on that.
>We however stuck our heads in the sand when the
>Partition carnage took place. We know now that both
>Hindus and Muslim extremists took a very active part
>in the butchering of a million people.
No secret about that !
>With time, the wound appeared to have been healing; it
>never really did heal.
How can it when organised religion and our political system simply
encourages it ?
>The Rt. Wing Hindus (like their counterparts, the
>Islamic, Jewish and Christian extremists ) have opened
>up the wounds all over again.
Actually include the Rt.Wing Muslims, the Rt.Wing Sikhs, and the Rt.Wing
Christians in the lot who have opened the wounds all over again. After all
you cannot forget Kashmir, the North-east, Godhra, etc.
>Somehow, it appears that the more extreme the
>situations, the more the funds that flow in.
Errrr.....excuse me but what funds are you talking about ? The Finance
Minister has finally admitted that the Gujarat carnage has affected
investment and the economy adversely
>This thing in Gujarat is an absolute shame. I hope
>some of us are proud of it.
I hope you meant "none of us are proud of it". Well how can one be proud of
senseless killings in the name of religion and false egos ? Nevertheless I
am sure we will have those kind in all communities.
>Not Moi!
Wow ! I hope that means you aren't proud of course. ;-)
>and what is Papa Doc Atal B. Nero doing while the
>Rampant Religious Right are MODIfying the social
>fabric of the country?
Whose Papa is Atal ? Not mine ? Is he yours ? I understand he is a bachelor
and doesn't have any children that he knows of ;-)
>Communalism Combat and SAHMAT felt the need to bring
>the voices of the survivors of the Gujarat Genocide.
>Immediate stoppage of violence, justice and lasting
>peace is the message that they carry. We owe it to
>those who so brutally lost their lives to ensure that
>their voices are heard.
........
Didn't see your point in pasting the horrible wails and moans of the Muslim
victims in Gujarat.....if you wanted us to shudder well let me tell you that
I have been shuddering from the very first day that the burning in Gujarat
began. One doesn't need to read this stuff to know what hell these poor
people have been thru.
Maybe the point you were trying to make is that you only know of these
emotional outpourings. You probably haven't read or heard or thought about
those of the Sikhs, Kashmiri Hindus, North East Hindus, low caste Hindus,
Kashmiri Buddists, etc. Or maybe the point you were trying to make is that
the moans of the victims of Godhra which considering the carnage began with
this incident are not worth listening to since they were specifically
absent, considering this was an essay on the Gujarat carnage. Or maybe you
were trying to show us how people put blinders as and how it suits them i.e.
when it is not their community or interests affected.
All in all I agree that the Gujarat carnage should be condemned. But I also
condemn all the other carnages including the ongoing one in Kashmir, the
North-East, Bihar, UP, etc. Can I hope for the same from you ?
Cheers,
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 01:10:00 +0000
From: "Tim de Mello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Mental health -- a Goan myth
Margaret Mascarenhas wrote . . .
.
.
"Meanwhile, I have another date with the Civil Registrar in two weeks. If
you don't hear from me before then, look me up at the Mental Hospital."
.
.
I look forward to reading your next episode in your quest to obtain a
duplicate Birth Certificate for your Dad. One really appreciates the addage
"Patience is a virtue" when one is in India.
Also do you know the name of the Lisbon agent your mechanic acquaintance
used to get his Portuguese citizenship?
Arundhati Roy vs Noam Chomsky. Hmm!
This should make for a very interesting discussion on the net. Other than
reading her very enjoyable novel "The God of small things" and her
involvement in the Narmada Dam, I know very little about this person who
seemingly enjoys international acclaim. Have you read her book "Power
Politics"? She apparently takes on the privatization of India�s power supply
by Enron (this is prior to Enron's collapse). I am glad that India can boast
this type of character.
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:02:33 +0530
From: "aires" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] PARRIKAR SENSES IMPENDING DEFEAT
A month from today the people of Goa will exercise their franchise to elect
their new MLAs. In spite of all his high-handed tricks and gimmicks it is
certain that Manohar Parrikar's BJP regime will finally come to an end.
The Chief Minister already senses the impending rout. A desperate Parrikar
is stooping to unprecedented levels to avoid the inevitable humiliation. He
is attempting to sponsor independent candidates to divide the opposition
votes. However, with the anti-BJP wave raging , we will have to endure the
sinister designs of the Chief Minister for just another month.
A new Government should not normally waste time introspecting into the acts
of the past government. But in this case the magnitude of the damage done to
Goa's unique secular fabric should not stop the in-coming Government from
taking steps to undo the colossal damage done to the State. The new
Government's priority should be to undo the saffronisation of the Goa
Administration and restore this State to its original colours.
Mr Parrikar has exceeded his limits in all respects. He failed to realise
that we are in a democracy and that one cannot dictatorially bulldoze one's
fanatic ideas and passions on the people at large.
He even went to the extent of abolishing October 2nd, Mahatma Gandhi's
birthday as a public holiday in Goa though it is one all over India. Given
the choice he would have replaced our country's tri-colour national flag
with a saffron one.
As part of his tactics Mr. Parrikar announced some unrealistic populist
programmes to hoodwink the public. The Dayanand Social Security Scheme is
just one of these scams. The Chief Minister ensured that the beneficiaries
were chosen by the MLAs and his party workers. It is a matter of shame that
a scheme that should have been administered by the State was controlled by
the MLAs. The MLAs were visiting the villages distributing the cheques as
a way to keep the people indebted to them. The true and needy beneficiaries
are left high and dry as they have no access to the powers to be.
Parrikar has systematically gunned down, displaced and eliminated people of
the minority communities from key Government positions. A look at the
bureaucracy today compared to the complexion before he took over reveals the
evil venom the RSS cadre Chief Minister Parrikar has unleashed on this State
of ours.
On May 30th when the people of Goa speak decisively and cast their verdict,
Mr Parrikar will have to seek a place of alternate refuge. A Kar-sevak at
Ayodhya could be an appropriate destination. And perhaps the rash and
negligent Governor Mohammed Fazal who acted without application of mind in
prematurely foisting another election on our cash scrapped State could keep
him company.
Aires Rodrigues
Ribandar
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:52:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Francisco Alves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] FW: Untold story of Godra, India
I received this from a friend. If it is true, it is very shocking
indeed.
> > > Forwarded:
> > >
> > > From: Hari Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: The Godhra train incident
> > > Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 12:18:36 -0800
> > >
> > > Dear friends:
> > >
> > > Conflicting news have been coming from various sources as to
> >what
> > > actually
> > > happened at the Godhra station on Feb. 27, where a couple of
> >train
> > > coaches
> > > were burnt, killing many Hindu Ram Sewaks and others,
> >including
> > > women and
> > > children.
> > >
> > > Knowing India as I think I do, I found it extremely unlikely
> >that
> > > an
> > > "organized" crowd of Muslims would undertake such a ghastly
> >act in
> > > a
> > > pre-planned way, as has been widely asserted in the media.
> > >
> > > I wrote to some journalist friends of mine in India. And
> >here is
> > > a version
> > > I have received from a highly reputed journalist and Human
> >Rights
> > > activist,
> > > Mukundan Menon, based in Kerala. And I am pleased to share it
> >with
> > > you. This
> > > story has already been published in some Kerala papers.
> > >
> > > Mr. Menon also informs me, in his covering note that the
> >Sonis
> > > mentioned
> > > in the second paragraph of his story have already
> >"backtracked,
> > > apparently
> > > due to pressure or fear". Mr. Menon goes on to add: "There
> >are
> > > several other
> > > supportive versions (including of Raj Babbar) to say that the
> >Kar
> > > Sevaks
> > > that day were particularly unruly right from Allahabad
> >against
> > > other
> > > passengers."
> > >
> > > While what happened at Godhra must be strongly condemned,
> >this
> > > story at
> > > least puts the whole event in a broader context.
> > >
> > > hari sharma
> > >
> > > Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:04:44
> > > Subject: Truth about the train incident
> > >
> > > UNTOLD STORY ON GODHRA TRAIN BURNING
> > >
> > > The tragic burning incident of Sabarmati Express, which
> >took
> > > place about
> > > one km away from Godhra railway station on February 27, 2002
> > > (Thursday), has
> > > thrown lot of questions. However, I would like to bring to
> >your
> > > notice many
> > > aspects and facts which have been ignored.
> > >
> > > This has been prepared based on reliable informations
> >sourced
> > > from: Mr.
> > > Anil Soni and Ms. Neelam Soni (reporters of "Gujarat Samachar"
> >and
> > > also of
> > > P.T.I. & A.N.I.). Both of them worked hard to dig the true
> >facts
> > > which
> > > deserve words of appraisal. Mr. Soni can be contacted at
> >(Mobile
> > > Number:
> > > 009825038152;
> > > Res. TF. No.02672-43153; Off. TF No. 02672-43152; Fax No.
> > > 02672-45999).
> > >
> > > S-6 and two other compartments of Sabarmati Express were
> >carrying
> > > the
> > > VHP's kar sevaks that day. The whole incident took place due
> >to the
> > > kar
> > > kevaks in S-6. The sequence of events did not begin at
> >Godhra
> > > station, as
> > > was spread everywhere. The ghastly sequence of events, on the
> >other
> > > hand,
> > > started at Daahod railway station, which is 75 km before
> >Godhra.
> > >
> > > The train reached Daahod railway station after ll owner
> >after
> > > having tea
> > > and snacks, attacked and damaged the stall. After the attack
> >they
> > > proceeded
> > > back to the departing train. The stall owner then filed an N
> >C
> > > against the
> > > kar sevaks at the local police station. Around 7:15 am the
> >train
> > > reached
> > > Godhra railway station.
> > >
> > > At Godhra, too, the kar sevaks came out of their reserved
> > > compartments to
> > > have tea and snacks at the small tea stall on the platform.
> >This
> > > tea stall
> > > was run by an old bearded man belonging to the minority
> >community
> > > with the
> > > help of a servant. The kar sevaks purposefully started an
> >argument
> > > with this
> > > old man. They physically assaulted him and pulled his beard
> >to
> > > further
> > > humiliate the old man.
> > >
> > > All the while, the kar sevaks kept on chanting highly
> >provocative
> > > slogans
> > > like, "Mandir ka nirmaan karo, Babar ki aulad ko bahar
> >karo".
> > > (build the
> > > temple and throw Babar's kids out of the country.). Hearing
> >the
> > > chaos, the
> > > 16-year old daughter of the old man, who was present at the
> > > station, came
> > > forward to save her father from the assaulting kar kevaks. She
> >kept
> > > on
> > > pleading and begging them to stop beating her father and leave
> >him
> > > alone.
> > >
> > > However, as against her pleas, the kar kevaks bodily lifted
> >the
> > > young
> > > girl, carried her inside the S-6 compartment, and bolted the
> > > compartment
> > > door from inside.
> > >
> > > The girl was crying for help from within the compartment,
> >and the
> > > old man
> > > banged on the compartment doors pleading the kar sevaks to
> >leave
> > > his
> > > daughter. Then the train started moving from Godhra station.
> > > However, before
> > > the train completely moved out of the platfom, two stall
> >vendors
> > > jumped into
> > > the last bogey after the guard cabin. With the intention of
> >saving
> > > the girl
> > > from S-6, they pulled the chain and the train was stopped.
> > >
> > > The train came to a complete halt one km away from Godhra
> >railway
> > > station.
> > > The two vendors rushed to the S-6 bogey and started banging
> >at
> > > the door
> > > requesting the kar sevaks to spare the girl alone.
> > >
> > > Hearing the chaos, people in the vicinity of the tracks
> >started
> > > gathering
> > > around the train. n, requested the kar sevaks to return the
> >girl
> > > back.
> > > However, instead of heeding to their plea, the kar sevaks
> >started
> > > closing
> > > the windows of the compartment. This had infuriated the mob
> >to
> > > retaliate by
> > > pelting stones at the compartment.
> > >
> > > Soon, the kar sevaks from the adjoining two compartments in
> >front
> > > and rear
> > > of S-6, got down with bamboo sticks meant to carry their
> >banners.
> > > They
> > > attacked the mob with the bamboo sticks. This had further
> > > infuriated the
> > > mob gathered to save the trapped girl from S-6.
> > >
> > > Soon, the frenzied crowd started bringing diesel and petrol
> > from
> > > trucks
> > > and auto-rickshaws standing at the garages in Signal Fadia (a
> >place
> > > in
> > > Godhra) and burnt the S-6 compartment. As is being spread,
> >none
> > > brought the
> > > fuel from any petrol pump. Nor, was this act of burning a
> > > pre-planned one,
> > > as is being alleged now by different quarters. It had happened
> >at
> > > the spur
> > > of the movement, out of sheer frustration of the angry
> >crowd.
> > >
> > > Soon after this incident, the V.H.P. activists living
> >nearby
> > > started
> > > burning the garages in Signal Fadia. They also burnt down
> >Baddshah
> > > Masjid at
> > > Shehra Bhagaad area in Godhra. This was the beginning of the
> > > massacre and
> > > arson against Muslim minorities that engulfed whole of
> >Gujarat
> > > state on the
> > > following days, which still continue.
> > >
> > > The police, who reached late, resorted to wanton harassments
> >and
> > > arrest of
> > > innocent local people of Godhra. Furthermore, without any
> > > substantial
> > > evidence or proof, the police blamed the Mayor of Godhra, Mr.
> >Ahmed
> > > Hussain
> > > Kalota, for this incident. Belonging to Congress party, Mr.
> >Kalota
> > > is also a
> > > lawyer.
> > >
> > > At the instance of Gujarat Chief Minister, Narendra Modi,
> >the
> > > Union
> > > Information Minister, Ms. Sushma Swaraj, had reprimanded the
> >staff
> > > of local
> > > "Akashvani" (All India Radio) for first reporting this
> >incident in
> > > their
> > > > news bulletin. Thereafter, no journalist or reporter,
> > > especially from
> > > electronic media like NDTV of Star News, were given access to
> >go
> > > anywhere
> > > near Godhra railway station. Also, cable TV operators in Gujd
> >to
> > > follow
> > > suit.
> > >
> > > Clearly the Gujarat and Central Governments want nobody to
> >know
> > > this
> > > factual story of what had happened at Godhra station that led
> >to
> > > the burning
> > > of S-6 bogey of Sabarmati Express on February 27 morning.
> > >
> > > From: Hari Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: VHP leaflet from Gujarat
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:58:32 -0800
> > >
> > > Dear friends:
> > >
> > > The following is a communication a SANSAD friend has
> >received
> > > from Mallika
> > > Sarabhai, the renowned dancer from Ahmedabad.
> > >
> > > This is for your information, and to convey the extent to
> >which
> > > the battle
> > > lines are being drawn.
> > >
> > > hari sharma
> > > ********
> > >
> > > This is a leaflet (in Gujarathi) being distributed in lakhs
> >in
> > > Gujarat
> > > State. We need you to pass this on to warn people of the
> >gravity of
> > > the
> > > situation. Please help to pass it on to the press and to
> >people who
> > > will
> > > help us fight it fearlessly. - mallika
> > >
> > >
> > > The creeping fascism in Gujarat:
> > >
> > > A TRANSLATION OF THE CIRCULAR LETTER IN GUJARATI IS
> >DISTRIBUTED
> > > IN THE
> > > STREETS OF AHMEDABAD by the VHP
> > >
> > > VISHWA HINDU PARISHAD (Raanip) SATYAM SHIVAM SUNDARAM JAI
> >SHRIRAM
> > >
> > > WAKE UP! ARISE! THINK! ENFORCE! SAVE THE COUNTRY! SAVE THE
> > > RELGIION!
> > >
> > > Economic boycott is the only solution! The anti-national
> >elements
> > > use the
> > > money earned from the Hindus to destroy us! They buy arms!
> >They
> > > molest our
> > > sisters and daughters! The way to break the back-bone of
> >these
> > > elements is:
> > > An economic non-cooperation movement.
> > >
> > > Let us resolve -
> > > 1. From now on I will not buy anything from a Muslim
> >shopkeeper!
> > > 2. I will not sell anything from my shop to such elements!
> > > 3. Neither shall I use the hotels of these anti-nationals,
> >nor
> > > their
> > > garages!
> > > 4. I shall give my vehicles only to Hindu garages! From a
> >needle
> > > to gold,
> > > I shall not buy anything made by Muslims; neither shall we
> >sell
> > > them things
> > > made by us!
> > > 5. Boycott whole-heartedly films in which Muslim
> >hero-heroines
> > > act! Throw
> > > out films produced by these anti-nationals!
> > > 6. Never work in offices of Muslims! Do not hire them!
> > > 7. Do not let them buy offices in our business premises, nor
> >sell
> > > or hire
> > > out houses to them in our housing societies, colonies or
> > > communities.
> > > 8. I shall certainly vote, but only for him who will protect
> >the
> > > Hindu
> > > nation.
> > > 9. I shall be alert to ensure that our sisters-daughters do
> >not
> > > fall into
> > > the 'love-trap' of Muslim boys at school-college-workplace.
> > > 10. I shall not receive any education or training from a
> >Muslim
> > > teacher.
> > >
> > > Such a strict economic boycott will throttle these elements!
> >It
> > > will break
> > > their back-bone! Then it will be difficult for them to live in
> >any
> > > corner of
> > > this country. Friends, begin this economic boycott from today!
> >Then
> > > no
> > > Muslim will raise his head before us! Did you read this
> >leaflet?
> > > Then make
> > > ten photocopies of it, and distribute it to our brothers. The
> >curse
> > > of
> > > Hanumanji be on him who does not implement this, and
> >distribute it
> > > to
> > > others! The curse of Ramchandraji also be on him! Jai
> >Shriram!
> > >
> > > A true Hindu patriot.
> > >
> > > N.B. The kites we use at Uttrayan (Kite flying day) are also
> >made
> > > by them.
> > > The fire-works are also made by them. We should boycott
> >those
> > > too. Jai
> > > Shri Ram (Ranip)
>
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