goanet-digest Wednesday, May 22 2002 Volume 01 : Number 4001
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Re: [Goanet] GUJARAT HAS SEALED PARRIKAR�S FATE
[Goanet] Re: MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS!
[Goanet] Do these lessons ring a bell
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:26:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: ash k <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] GUJARAT HAS SEALED PARRIKAR�S FATE
It is sad that such an ugly thing like the Gujarat
violence had to occur. But, it has certainly opened
our eyes to see clearly what the BJP party can provide
this country with.
While the whole world is progressing in various
fields, our country is sinking deeper into political
quicksand and crawls on its fours over religious
issues.
It is so embarassing to see our politicians on TV
commenting on other parties - blaming, accusing,
abusing etc. It is hard to see one politician talking
about the country's growth! They fight and argue like
a bunch of hyena's would for a piece of meat!
Is it such a tough job to serve the people? I really
wonder.
ash k
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 02:51:52 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] Re: MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS!
In a message dated 05/19/2002 5:15:08 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Subj: Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS!
Date: 05/19/2002 5:15:08 AM EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sunila Muzawar)
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For someone who is totally against organised religion, that is very tempting
! ;-) In any case, if all in India gave up their religion, everyone would
focus on real issues like the economy, education, infrastructure, health,
sanitation, and development. Instead, with the current obsession with
organised religion we dig ourselves into a pit.
Cheers,
Sunila
>From: ash k <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS!
>Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 02:15:11 -0700 (PDT)
>
>To all Goans: "Vote for BJP and give up your
>RELIGION!"
>
>ash
> >>
Dear Netters:
Please excuse the presentation of the entire above post and my following
response:
Subj: Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY
Date: 05/20/2002
To: <A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>, <A
HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>
To: <A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>
In a message dated 05/19/2002 5:15:08 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< For someone who is totally against organised religion, that is very
tempting
! ;-) In any case, if all in India gave up their religion, everyone would
focus on real issues like the economy, education, infrastructure, health,
sanitation, and development. Instead, with the current obsession with
organised religion we dig ourselves into a pit. >>
In response to the above, I humbly submit: What doth it profit a (wo)man if
(s)he gains the whole world, but suffers the loss of his/her soul?
There is no point in trying to twist Ash's poignant prophesy for any
generalizations. Religion (from 'religare') is designed to "bind us back from
jungle rule. IMHO, without religion, Goans would fit the computer prompt of
Goons :(
I would like to initiate a survey of all Goanetters on the following question:
Are you "for" or "against" religion?
Let us plan to close this survey at midnight, Friday, May 31, 2002.
Hopefully some computer wizard will volunteer to tabulate and provide the
results :-)
Viva Goa, Viva Goacom!
Pat de Sousa
Maryland, USA >>
I don't know about you, but I received three copies of this May 20 posting
between 4:43:08 and 4:43:25 AM EST, probably intended as votes:
Subj: Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY
Date: 05/20/2002 4:43:08 AM EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sunila Muzawar)
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY
>Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:50:22 EDT
>
>In response to the above, I humbly submit: What doth it profit a (wo)man if
>(s)he gains the whole world, but suffers the loss of his/her soul?
>
>There is no point in trying to twist Ash's poignant prophesy for any
>generalizations. Religion (from 'religare') is designed to "bind us back
>from
>jungle rule. IMHO, without religion, Goans would fit the computer prompt of
>Goons :(
Speak for yourself if you like. To generalise with all Goans is to insult
their sensibilities terribly. Additionally, please note that the North West
of Pakistan actually follows organised religion to the T and are famous for
jungle rule or tribal law. Incidentally it is believed that "the evil one" -
Osama is currently in hiding there. And the current barbarism we see
emanating out of Pakistan is also a product of organised religion.
And Buddha actually went to the jungles to meditate and get enlightened. If
all were like Buddha then violence would not have any place in the
world.....so jungles are not that bad after all. :-)
And don't forget that it is in the name of organised religion that the the
Church murdered millions and rendered thousands homeless in their quest to
convert Goans to Christianity.
And it is the efforts of the VHP to actually make Hinduism into an organised
religion which is resulting in the current Hindu militancy and violence.
And how can I forget to mention the current ogre of Islamic terrorism...I
won't bother with details.
Incidentally if you think religion made anyone civilized there is enough
proof to link it with the worst barbarism in the world. It is education,
culture, human values, and society which makes one civilised. Simply going
to a church or temple and following priests blindly (even though they may be
paedophiles or drug addicts) does not make one civilized or get one out of
the "jungle" mentality.
In fact, it is the other way round. If you actually look at the custodians
of organised religion you will find a whole horde of perverts ranging from
paedophiles and child/female abusers to drug addicts to violence
recommenders to revenge fanatics to racists to basic cheats and liars and
egoistic chauvinists. And most people actually follow them blindly in the
name of Jesus, Allah, Ram and whoever. I tell you people have forgotten
Jesus, Allah and Ram. Instead, Satan and the devil reigns supreme with
current religious bodies with the horns showing prominently.
>I would like to initiate a survey of all Goanetters on the following
>question:
>
>Are you "for" or "against" religion?
And what's that going to achieve other than prove that religion is popular
or not among the goanetters ? That does not mean it is good or bad. After
all alchohol is also popular and so is smoking. But whether it is good or
bad is another question. Incidentally, if organised religion was not popular
I would not have to write so many yarns against it. ;- )
>Let us plan to close this survey at midnight, Friday, May 31, 2002.
>
>Hopefully some computer wizard will volunteer to tabulate and provide the
>results :-)
Here's my vote : against organised religion of course. Now why did I even
bother ? ;-)
Cheers,
Sunila >
NOW, if you read Sunila's entire May 19 post, the generalization will be
evident -- Ash's one-liner <Vote for BJP and give up your RELIGION> was
contorted by her to brand all religions with 'Hindutva.'
>From the other side of the very same mouth, comes this effusion: "Speak for
yourself if you like. To generalise with all Goans is to insult their
sensibilities terribly..." I need not go through all the venomous swipes
which reflect a religious morbidity.
But I will venture to state that the barbarism emanating from India's Gujrat
carnage equals or surpasses that of any other fanatics. "So if jungles are
not that bad after all. :-)" then a fairly good case has been made for
regressing to the Dark Ages.:(
After providing details of the Church, apparently some mysterious
"injunction" may have prevented like treatment on Islam.
You probably have tunnel vision when you say that "most people" blindly
follow the major religions. The "whoever," probably encompasses Satan who
prowls the world seeking the ruination of souls. The devil finds the
non-discerning as attractive targets -- and prowls as a lamb in wolves
clothing.
When you tell me that people have forgotten Jesus I know where you're coming
from. NO, Jesus reigns supreme in many, many hearts. I heard that crap when I
lived in some remote areas and now know that it is the work of the devil.
Religion is no popularity contest -- it is as I said before something "to
bind back" or prevent (wo)men from becoming savages. We have seen the
resultant jungle rule, where 'might is right' and even the police become
silent spectators among junglis.
You allege "in the name of organised religion that the Church murdered
millions and rendered thousands homeless in their quest to convert Goans to
Christianity." Have you developed amnesia to the fact that it was exactly
because of Buddha's advocated principle of "ahimsa," that most all of his
followers were annihilated from India -- why?
The Muslims, like the Jews believe in an eye for an eye and are dauntless.
Christians, on the other hand will turn the other cheek when they are
slapped, and would be easy prey under communalism.
Furthermore, your statement "If you actually look at the custodians of
organised religion you will find a whole horde of perverts ranging from
paedophiles and child/female abusers to drug addicts to violence ......."
reflects a warped mentality. Offenders are but a miniscule percentage, and
certainly not more than the general population average. Only a nomadic Mongol
tribe could fit the definiton of horde :(
Also, your May 21 question to Joel Almeida on the subject 'Sunila's Message'
<But why does a person following Jesus need to swear allegiance to the
Vatican Church?> reflects an inherent obsession against the Roman Catholic
Church. Not all followers of Jesus are Roman Catholics, a rudimentary matter
indeed :-)
In the final analysis I fail to comprehend your May 21 response to Santosh on
the subject, Scientific Method, when you say: "There is something beyond and
that is God. And God cannot be caged by organised religion or science." We
mortals can barely comprehend God's Omnipotence. No sane mind would imagine
using a defiling term as 'caged.'
Religion is the stairway or ladder to God and the major religions strive to
lead us on to the right path. Let us not try to feign superiority through
arrogance or ignorance.
The "so many yarns," you've spun because of the popularity of organized
religion, appear to be symptomatic :-)
Three Cheers for Religion:
Pat
PS: The next simplification would probably be no need organized government!
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:58:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: bernadine decosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Do these lessons ring a bell
Lessons well taught:
My mother taught me TO APPRECIATE A JOB WELL DONE: "If
you're
going to kill
each other, do it outside - I just finished cleaning!"
My mother taught me RELIGION: "You better pray that
will come out of
the
carpet."
My mother taught me REASON: "Because I said so, that's
why."
My Mother taught me LOGIC: "If you fall out of that
swing and break your
neck, you're not going to the store with me."
My mother taught me FORESIGHT: "Make sure you wear
clean
underwear, in case
you're in an accident."
My mother taught me IRONY: "Keep crying and I'll give
you something to
cry
about."
My mother taught me about the science of OSMOSIS:
"Shut your mouth
and eat
your supper!"
My mother taught me about CONTORTIONISM: "Will you
look at the dirt
on the
back of your neck!"
My mother taught me about STAMINA: "You'll sit there
'til all that spinach
is finished."
My mother taught me about WEATHER: "It looks as if a
tornado swept
through
your room."
My mother taught me how to solve PHYSICS PROBLEMS: "If
I yelled
because I
saw a meteor coming toward you, would you listen
THEN?"
My mother taught me about BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION: "Stop
acting
like your
father!"
My Mother taught me about ANTICIPATION: "Just wait
until we get
home."
My Mother taught me about RECEIVING: "You are going to
get it when we
get
home!"
My Mother taught me MEDICAL SCIENCE: "If you don't
stop crossing
your eyes,
they are going to freeze that way."
My Mother taught me to THINK AHEAD: "If you don't pass
your spelling
test,
you'll never get a good job."
My Mother taught me ESP: "Put your sweater on; don't
you think I know
when
you're cold?"
My Mother taught me HUMOR: "When that lawn mower cuts
off your toes,
don't
come running to me."
My Mother taught me how to BECOME AN ADULT: "If you
don't eat
your
vegetables, you'll never grow up."
My Mother taught me about GENETICS: "You're just like
your father."
My Mother taught me about my ROOTS: "Do you think you
were born in a
barn?"
My Mother taught me about WISDOM OF AGE: "When you get
to be my
age, you
will understand."
And my all time favorite... My Mother taught me about
JUSTICE: "One day
you'll have kids ...and I hope they turn out just like
you!"
Hi Folks - Have a nice day and give a thought to your
father too for without both of them & God's plans you
and I might not exist.
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