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[Goanet] Undeveloped Language - What Nonsense!
[Goanet] 12 AUG: GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS
[Goanet] MLAs express concern over AIDS spread in Goa
[Goanet] WORLD GOAN HERITAGE DAY .....................A Reminders
[Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY events / celebrations
Re: [Goanet] Undeveloped Language - What Nonsense!
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 04:42:36 -0000
From: "santoshhelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Undeveloped Language - What Nonsense!
- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Joel D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>KONKANI AND PANDORA'S BOX: "A developed language is a pre-requisite
>for a developed society. It is therefore absurd to search for Goa's
>Asmitai or identity in Konkani, which is nothing but an undeveloped
>form of Marathi, according to the principles of the science of
>language. Marathi is India's third great and one of the major
>languages in the world. Denial to it its rightful claim in Official
>Language Act, 1987, was a serious matter."
>(Jaisinghrao V Rane in Panorama-NT)
>
The above statement is absolute nonsense. The science of language
would never claim that Konkani is an undeveloped language, or for
that matter, only a form of Marathi. What principles of science of
language is this guy talking about? Can he state them? According to
modern linguistics any language is characterized as a fully developed
independent language if it displays the following characteristics:
1. It is spoken by a significant number of people for several
generations, with several generations of their children having
learned to speak it naturally.
2. It has its own vocabulary, grammar, phraseology, figures of
speech, idiomatic expressions, etc.
3. It is distinguished from being a dialect of another language by
not being fully intelligible to a native speaker of that other
language unaided by formal education or informal exposure.
By all three of the above linguistic criteria Konkani is a fully
developed language, distinct from Marathi or any other language.
1. Konkani is known to be spoken since at least the 11th century.
2. Apart from having a vast lexicon, rich syntax and phraseology, and
a wonderful corpus of idiomatic and figurative expressions, it has
some rules of word formation that very few world languages, if any
possess. For instance, a tree bearing a particular fruit, such as
guava can only be called a "guava tree" in English, or a "peruche
zhaad" in Marathi. But in Konkani the fruit is called "perr" and its
tree is called "peyr". Very few languages, if any have special words
for stinking smells emanating from different sources. In English we
have perhaps five words that mean the same thing =96 stink, stench,
malodor, fetor, and reek. In Marathi, "ghaann vaas" and perhaps, a
couple of other synonyms. Similarly in Hindi, perhaps,
only "budhboo". But in Konkani, there is a unique word for each type
of bad smell. I will just list a few that I know without specifying
the source. First, of course is the generic "ghaann". But then we
have "gutthaann", "khaathsaann", "hivllaann", "himsaann"
and "dhorbottaan".
3. Konkani and Marathi are largely mutually unintelligible to native
speakers of each language who have not been exposed in a formal or
informal way to the other.
Cheers,
Santosh
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:54:42 +0500
From: "Joel D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] 12 AUG: GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS
August 12, 2002
ZIL SUBMITS ACTION PLAN: The officials of the Zuari Industries Limited
yesterday submitted an action plan to South Goa Collector JB Singh
pertaining to the additional measures adopted by the company to prevent
leakages of naphtha, if any. Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar had directed
the company officials to submit the action plan. (GT)
UNNATURAL DEATHS RISING: Unnatural deaths appear to be on the rise in the
jurisdiction of the Ponda police station. During the last eight months
alone 77 unnatural deaths have been reported, as compared to 100 such cases
reported last year. With this pace, the Ponda police fear that the number
of unnatural deaths may cross last year's mark. (H)
WELFARE SCHEMES FOR WOMEN: The Government of India is implementing schemes
for women's economic programme to empower women in trades like electronics,
watch assembly, basic and advanced computer training, garment making,
secretarial practice and embroidery through non-governmental organisations
registered under Societies Registration Act 1860. (H)
WORKSHOP ON CHILD-FRIENDLY GOA: The Tiswadi-level Workshop towards
child-friendly Goa, organised by Bailancho Saad along with Child
Development Project Officer, ICDS Programme, mooted a holistic
child-friendly policy and code coupled with a plan of action and an
effective functional State Commission for Children which will monitor the
execution of children-related action by the various Government Departments.
The Workshop was attended by participants ranging from doctors, lawyers,
heads of educational institutions, teachers, Government officers and
representatives of women's and children's rights organisations.
("albertina almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)=20
GU EVOLVES TIME-BOUND PROGRAMME: The Goa University has finally evolved a
time-bound programme for conducting of examinations and declaration of
results by mid-May besides linking various departments in the varsity
campus with local area network as a part of its strategy to improve
efficiency in administration. (NT)
RESULT AFTER DEATH: Akshata Prabhu, a student of Ayurveda Mahavidyalaya and
Research Centre, Shiroda, is no more to see her results. The Goa University
declared her results on August 10 and as expected she passed out with
flying colours. Akshata committed suicide on 23 July after being distressed
over the University's decision to keep her results in the reserved category
for the double assessment system. (GT)
GMC HOSTEL IS CRAMMED: With the admission of 100 students for MBBS degree
course last year, the students now face the problem of hostel accommodation
in the Goa Medical College, Bambolim. Earlier, three students would occupy
one room=85with the increase of seats, five students were allotted one room.
(GT)
STUDENTS CONTINUE AGITATION: The agitation of the final year computer
engineering students of Fr Agnel Polytechnic, Verna, against the abrupt
change in the admission procedure, entered the second day yesterday with
the hunger strike. (NT)
FREE TRAINING: Union Ministry of Science and Technology, Government of
India, has selected Agnel Technical Education Complex, Verna, to implement
the scheme of skill development training. All the courses will be conducted
free of charge. (H)
BENCHES FOR MAPUSA BUS STAND: The Panjim City Public Forum has urged the
State government to install benches for the convenience of senior citizens
and women using the shuttle service at Mapusa. (GT)
BENAULIM FINANCE PANEL: Benaulim panchayat has formed two
committees-finance and environment-to oversee the financial transactions
and garbage disposal mechanism. The tentative members of the environment
members are Correa Afonso and Sales Lima Fernandes=85Apparently rich Benauli=
m
panchayat, which reportedly has an annual income of Rs.20 lakh, has some
ambitious proposals for the village. (H)=20
CLOUDBURST CLAIMS 33 IN UTTARANCHAL: At least 33 people, including 18
women, were killed and several went missing in a cloudburst that triggered
heavy floods and landslides at four remote hilly villages of Tehri district
of Uttaranchal in the wee hours of yesterday. (PTI report in GT)
NAKED TO APPEASE GOD: Around 200 women from the farming community in the
drought-hit Banke district of Nepal came out naked at midnight to plough
the fields to appease Indra, the rain god. After shutting all windows and
bolting the doors, leaving the male members locked inside the houses, they
performed the ritual which as per Hindu belief would end the drought. (UNI
report in NT)
SNAKE AWARENESS PROGRAMME: The Green Cross, Mapusa, and the Indian
Herpetological Society, Pune, in co-ordination with the LD Samant Memorial
High school, Porvorim, are organising a day-long Snake Awareness Programme
at the Vidhya Prabhodini complex at Porvorim from 9 am on August 14. (GT)
EVERYTHING BUT MEDICINE SEMINAR: The Dr GK Salelkar Memorial Foundation,
Caranzalem, will hold a seminar entitled "Everything But Medicine" at Hotel
Cidade de Goa, on August 24 at 3 pm. Contact: Dr Vinaykumar Pai Raikar: Tel
462570 or 462764
MUSINGS OF A COMPULSIVE WRITER: "History puts an invisible, and
imperceptible burden on your shoulders when you choose to write something
which is serious. Writers are like electrically charged high tension wires.
If they do not unburden themselves the charge could electrocute them."
(Nandkumar Kamat in Glimpses-NT)
BOOK EXHIBITION: Book World has organised a book exhibition at Institute
Menezes Braganza, Panaji. This exhibition has a wide range of latest books,
encyclopedias. (GT)
"BHAU" BANDODKAR: Today is Dayanand Bandodkar's death anniversary. It was
on this day in 1973, the first and popular chief minister and the leader of
the Bahujan Samaj (masses) had assed away in harness. (Jagdish Wagh in GT)
GOA STATE STRING ORCHESTRA TO PERFORM: Kala Academy, Goa, will present a
music concert by its Goa State String Orchestra tomorrow (Aug 13) at the
Dinanath Mangeshkar Kala Mandir at 6.30 pm. (GT)
S P O R T S
DERRICK, REMY JOINT WINNERS: Former national champions and Goa's best
bets-Derrick Menezes and Remy Fernandes-shared honours in the Mistral Class
while Micky Martins won the Open class championships, organised by the
Board Sailing Association of India and Goa Yachting Association. (H)
GOVIND & SANDHYA EXCEL: Govind Navelkar and Sandhaya Melashimi won the
men's and women's titles respectively in the all-Goa major ranking
badminton tournament for the Rich Builders Trophy, at Indoor Stadium,
Campal. (H)
FRANSA PAX: "It is only a matter of time before Fransa Pax Football Club is
changed to Fransa Football Club," disclosed Mr Mickkey Pacheco Sports
Minister, yesterday. (NT)
D E A T H S
11 Aug: Para: JOSEPHINE FM FERNANDES, wife of late Jacob, mother of
Jennifer/Tony Vaz, Joyce/Oswald D'Souza, Julius and Joan.
11 Aug: Cansaulim: MARIA ALETA JACQUES, daughter of Herculano/Afra,
grand daughter of late Ave Maria Jacques/late Maria Filomena and late
Manuel Simao D'Costa/Maria Santana Pinto.
Majorda-Gomes vaddo: PEDRO ANTONIO FERNANDES, husband of Philomena,
father of Bella, Mario, Antonette/John Pires, Raymond.
11 Aug: Anjuna-Grande Chinvar: MARIA MAGDALENA LOBO, wife of late
Bernado, mother of Lawrence/Maria, Ubaldina/Jeronimo, Julia/Emita,
Agostinho/Aplonia, Joseph/Luiza, Rita/Jerry, Theresa.
11 Aug: Davorlim: FRANCISCO MIRANDA, husband of late Isabela, father of
Quiteria/John, Alexina/Brigideo, Sabina/Paul and Mario.
11 Aug: Calangute-Naikavaddo: ANTHONY JOAQUIM D'SOUZA, son of Joaquim
and Esperanca, husband of Muriel, father of Avito.
11 Aug: Curchorem: LIBERATHA RODRIGUES, wife of late Jose Menino, mother
of Constancio/Veronica, Jovino/Olinda, Antonett/late Frankie,
Cristalina/Henry, Artimisia/Adv Mariano, late Pascoal/Elvina (Kuwait),
Joazinho/Arcanjela, Seby/Bernadin, Manuel/Benefrida, Mary/Basil.
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G O A W E A T H E R
Temp: 25.9 deg C (78.6 deg F) at Assagao at 7.30 am today.
Max temp: 27.8 deg C, Humidity: 92%, Rainfall 1825.9 mm (Yesterday)
Weather: Yesterday was a comparatively dry day with just a few showers.
The trend seems to repeat today but the weather appears rather dull.
Courtesy: H=3DHerald, NT=3DThe Navhind Times, GT=3DGomantak Times
Daily Goacom News Clippings also at: http://www.goacom.com/news
Website: http://www.goacom.com
Webzine: http://www.goacom.com/goanow
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:05:40 +0530
From: Goa Desc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] MLAs express concern over AIDS spread in Goa
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MLAs express concern over AIDS spread in Goa
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Cutting across the party lines, members of the state legislative assembly
today expressed grave concern over the AIDS epidemic in Goa and
demanded tough measures to control the spread of dreaded disease.
Replying to a spate of subsidiaries from the members, the Health Minister,
Dr Suresh Amonkar, accepted the suggestions of the members and assured
to bring in a comprehensive legislation to make disposal syringes compulsory
for doctors in Goa. The question was tabled by the Leader of the Opposition,
Mr Pratapsing Rane.
Dr Amonkar, however, expressed government's inability to bring in a
legislation
for making compulsory blood test for ascertaining the exact figure of
HIV-infested
people in the state in the light of ruling and decision of the apex court
and the
National AIDS Control Organisation, respectively which have debarred
enactment of such a law.
The demand for compulsory blood test made by Rane was supported by
Mr Laxmikant Parsenkar (Mandrem), Mr Vijay Pai Khot (Canacona),
saying that if such a step was not taken the situation would go out of control.
The Health Minister, however, told the House that even if blood checking
was made compulsory the situation would not be able to ascertained
because a person if tested as 'negative' may get infested with disease few
days later.
The virus remains in blood for the period of 6 to 10 years and it becomes
very difficult to see in Elisa test at the initial stages.
Dr Wilfred de Souza (Saligao) suggested that the solution for controlling
the dreaded disease did not lie in a legislation but in education.
Dr de Souza went ahead suggesting that drugs for AIDS have been
started to manufacture in India and prices of these drugs are started
going down slowly.
Earlier, Dr Amonkar informed the House that in all 165 AIDS cases
were detected in Goa from the first case of its detection in 1989 to June
2002.
Besides, he said 4905 people have been found HIV-infested in the state till
date.
In response to a subsidiary from Mr Rane, the Health Minister reeled off
the age-wise classification of the HIV-infested persons. Between the age of
0 to six
3 per cent were found HIV-infested, while the percentage of age group between
26 and 35 stands at 45.1, while those between 46 and 50 stands at 5.69 per
cent.
Pointing out age-wise classification of the HIV-infested persons in the state,
Mr Rane asked whether the government has any proposal to provide a drug
called 'Cocktail' to the HIV patients to save life of young people.
Denying that the government has any plan to provide drugs like 'Cocktail'
to HIV-infested patients, Dr Amonkar said this drug only prolongs a
patient's life.
However, Dr Amonkar assured the House of initiative in providing these drugs
to the AIDS-infested mothers from September.
In response to another query, the Health Minister informed the House that
nearly 90 per cent of HIV-infested cases are sexually-transmitted one.
The Goa AIDS Control Society besides, some non-governmental organisations
were keeping a watch on safety of blood and controlling STD in red-light areas
of Baina and Margao.
Dr Amonkar also informed the House that the GACS was conducting educational
programmes in educational institutions and condoms were being distributed
free of cost through the NGOs.
To a suggestion from Mr Alexio Sequeira (Loutolim) over distributing of
condoms
to truck drivers, especially near the industrial estates, Dr Amonkar
informed the House
that the government distribute condoms worth Rs 10 lakh annually free of cost.
In response to a point from Mr Francisco Sardinha (Curtorim), Dr Amonkar
informed
the House that the NACO has sanctioned community centre for AIDS patients
in Goa.
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The Navhind Times 9/8/02 page No 1
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:11:25 -0700
From: "rene barreto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] WORLD GOAN HERITAGE DAY .....................A Reminders
Goans of Mumbai ,
For the first time in Mumbai, Goan Review Art Foundation (GRAF) is
celebrating World Goa Day event - WORLD GOAN HERITAGE DAY at the Sacred
Heart School Hall, Santa Cruz (West) on August 17, 2002, at 7p.m.
World Goa Day is being celebrated in recongnition of Konkani as one of the
national languages of the country. August 20 will see the 10th anniversary
of inclusion of Konkani in the eight schedule of the Constitution.
This great day will be celebrated with a Variety Entertainment consisting of
Mando-dulpods, folk dances, skits and sing-along. Not to miss mouth watering
Goan Culinary delicacies. Besides, great Goan personalities, who have
rendered yeoman service to the cause of Konkani and Goa will be felicitated
at this function.
Calling upon all the Goan and Konkani Institutions, associations and Goan
village associations of Mumbai to participate in this World Goa Day and help
us to make it a success.
The Goa Day song 'PROUD TO BE A GOAN' by Basilio Magno will be sung to
profess our love and solidarity for our motherland Goa
Let's dance, sing and dine together in the true Goan spirit.
For further details and entry passes contact GRAF on 265 4974, 2630139
Further deatils
Fausto D Costa
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:25:12 -0700
From: "rene barreto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY events / celebrations
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WORLD GOA DAY events / celebrations
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GOANS OF CANADA
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Goans of Quebec -.Canada.
The Quebec Goan Association will be
organising a picnic on
saturday 17th August 2002.
details Felix De Sa
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
450-676-8560 (home) and on saturday
call 514-830-3699 (Luiza's cell).
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GOANS OF KENYA
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Goans of Nairobi - Kenya
Nairobi, Kenya is having a 'Goa- Day' Mass on the 17th of August
to celebrate Goa Day at the Shrine of Mary Help of Christians-Don Bosco,
Upper Hill at 6:30pm and thereafter a get together to celebrate Goa Day
with Sorpotel, Sanas & Gram at the same venue.
Collin Rodrigues
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
details
Sylvia J. Pires < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:02:24 +0530
From: "Orlando Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Undeveloped Language - What Nonsense!
Hello Santosh, I am thrilled by your studied reply. Check out this link:
http://www.goacom.com/angelav/itm.php?i=15
I need to read more about this debate can you point me somewhere?
Cheers
Orlando
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From: "santoshhelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:12 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Undeveloped Language - What Nonsense!
- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Joel D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>KONKANI AND PANDORA'S BOX: "A developed language is a pre-requisite
>for a developed society. It is therefore absurd to search for Goa's
>Asmitai or identity in Konkani, which is nothing but an undeveloped
>form of Marathi, according to the principles of the science of
>language. Marathi is India's third great and one of the major
>languages in the world. Denial to it its rightful claim in Official
>Language Act, 1987, was a serious matter."
>(Jaisinghrao V Rane in Panorama-NT)
>
The above statement is absolute nonsense. The science of language
would never claim that Konkani is an undeveloped language, or for
that matter, only a form of Marathi. What principles of science of
language is this guy talking about? Can he state them? According to
modern linguistics any language is characterized as a fully developed
independent language if it displays the following characteristics:
1. It is spoken by a significant number of people for several
generations, with several generations of their children having
learned to speak it naturally.
2. It has its own vocabulary, grammar, phraseology, figures of
speech, idiomatic expressions, etc.
3. It is distinguished from being a dialect of another language by
not being fully intelligible to a native speaker of that other
language unaided by formal education or informal exposure.
By all three of the above linguistic criteria Konkani is a fully
developed language, distinct from Marathi or any other language.
1. Konkani is known to be spoken since at least the 11th century.
2. Apart from having a vast lexicon, rich syntax and phraseology, and
a wonderful corpus of idiomatic and figurative expressions, it has
some rules of word formation that very few world languages, if any
possess. For instance, a tree bearing a particular fruit, such as
guava can only be called a "guava tree" in English, or a "peruche
zhaad" in Marathi. But in Konkani the fruit is called "perr" and its
tree is called "peyr". Very few languages, if any have special words
for stinking smells emanating from different sources. In English we
have perhaps five words that mean the same thing - stink, stench,
malodor, fetor, and reek. In Marathi, "ghaann vaas" and perhaps, a
couple of other synonyms. Similarly in Hindi, perhaps,
only "budhboo". But in Konkani, there is a unique word for each type
of bad smell. I will just list a few that I know without specifying
the source. First, of course is the generic "ghaann". But then we
have "gutthaann", "khaathsaann", "hivllaann", "himsaann"
and "dhorbottaan".
3. Konkani and Marathi are largely mutually unintelligible to native
speakers of each language who have not been exposed in a formal or
informal way to the other.
Cheers,
Santosh
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