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----- Original Message ----- From: deccan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; rico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: [GOANET] reply to jorge/livia > > In response to the remarks on the Portuguese nationality racket: > > Jorge/Livia (whichever one it is) seems to find it hard to come to terms > with the fact that a Portuguese govt department can be so corrupt. The > information about the Portuguese registrar's office comes not only from > Eduardo Faleiro, but is corroborated also by the staff of the > Consulate-General here, who have seen genuine passport applications stalled > for over 8 years, while others, sent directly through Lisbon, are processed > in a matter of a few months. But perhaps you know better than them how the > racket operates...........Devika Sequeira > As regards �Jorge/Livia (whichever one it is)�, it is a pity that journalist Devika Sequeira failed to notice the signature at the end of Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha's post of December 11. The post was clearly signed "Livia". - Now the present post goes to you all from Jorge. Neither Jorge nor Livia finds it hard "to come to terms with the fact that a Portuguese govt department can be so corrupt", as unfortunately nowadays corruption is prone to occur in the - apparently at least - most august places, including the sanctimonious corridors of the Vatican. But the Portuguese law circles have been making efforts to curb any and every instance of corruption that is detected or sensed. For instance, it is known that a couple of years ago at least one officer of the "Conservatoria dos Registos Centrais" was placed on compulsory retirement and precluded from entering the premises of that department when he was found to be engaged in less appropriate dealings. We think that the names of those who act corruptly should be publicly denounced - with proofs, of course.And the names of the accusers should also be made known. So, if the name(s) of "the staff of the Consulate-General" in Goa "who have seen genuine passport applications stalled for over 8 years, while others, sent directly through Lisbon, are processed in a matter of a few months" can be made known, and if those cases which are deemed to have been unduly hanging for over 8 years and at least one instance of a case that, having been submitted directly to Lisbon, was processed in a matter of few months are brought to our notice, we promise that the matter will be taken by us to the adequate official agencies (including the Law Ministry and the Public Ombudsman) for complete clearance and for the bringing-to-book of those who were or are at fault in all this "racket". Because we think that a person who makes such grave assertions as "have seen passport applications (unduly) stalled for over 8 years, while others, sent directly through Lisbon, are processed in a matter of a few months" should be prepared to come forward and put his/her signature below such a statement, and not make the assertion and remain in anonymity. One more thing: As regards "sent directly through Lisbon", the question arises: to whom were those applications sent "through" Lisbon? Or is it that instead of "sent directly through Lisbon" the journalist actually wanted to say "submitted directly to Lisbon"? It may be argued that it is simply a matter of linguistics, but it is not: "sent through Lisbon" is not the same as "submitted to Lisbon". Another thing that I would like goanetters to know is where the different documents are issued, because it is ridiculous to speak of a delay of 8 or whatever number of years in processing "passport applications". So, please note that: (1) "Conservatoria dos Registos Centrais" is the "Central Registrar's Office" where births, deaths, marriages, divorces of Portuguese nationals born, dead, etc. out of Portugal (case of Goa, for example) are registered. Passports are not issued at this office. (2) "Servicos de Identificacao Civil" (usually called "Arquivo de Identificacao Civil") is the department which issues identity cards. There are "Servicos de Identificacao Civil" in every district of this country and in some other important cities. A birth certificate (and a marriage certificate, if the applicant is married) is a "sine qua non" requirement for applying for an identity card. (3) "Governo Civil" is the entity which issues passports. There are 18 districts in continental Portugal, 3 in the Autonomous Region of the Azores and 1 in the Autonomous Region of Madeira, and any of the Civil Governments of these districts is entitled to issue passports. Every citizen must have an identity card. Holding of a passport is not obligatory; but no one can obtain a passport without having an identity card. There are a couple more paragraphs of Devika Sequeira's article "Identity Crisis" (goanet, December 10, 2002) on which I would like to comment. But, given the length of my present post, I shall do it separately. Jorge ---------------------------------------------------------- ***** CHRISTMAS PARTIES 2002 ***** Dec 14 - Goan Association of New Jersey, Inc., Somerset +1 (732) 599-7644 Dec 21 - GOA-LA, Los Angeles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 (714) 821-6168 (late fee on tickets after Dec 10) Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a free X'mas party announcement here! ----------------------------------------------------------
