Dear Ferros, Do these Catholic websites have anything on Goan saints or discussion forums about Goan saints? Filomena
--- ferros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Interesting points. Goanet I feel should not be > used for what can often be > heated religious debate that is not very Christian. > Perhaps people who have > issues with Catholicism should use another forum to > explore the teachings of > the Catholic Church. > > A good website worth exploring, which I highly > recommend is Catholic answers > they have lots of factual information from Scripture > and the history of > Christianity on aspects such as saints, indulgences > and purgatorty. > > try these websites: > > > http://www.catholic.com/ > > http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ345.HTM > > > Happy surfing to all! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Filomena Giese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: The saint business > > > > Dear Mervyn, > > There are millions of Christians who believe, as > you > > seem to, that we can pray to God directly, without > the > > interventions of "saints", and especially without > the > > interventions of "saints" canonized by the > Catholic > > Church by putting simple, ordinary folk like you > and > > me through tortuous hoops of legislation and a > huge > > outlay of money - it has been calculated that by > the > > time a canonization takes place these days, we are > > talking of more than a million U.S. dollars! > > These Christians are called, very simply, > > "Protestants." Starting with Martin Luther, they > > simplified life and saved a lot of money going to > > support the grand lifestyle of Rome by knocking > off > > saints, and taught people to pray directly to God. > > Also, the reason you have heard about the Ugandan > > Martyrs and not about the Cuncolim Martyrs of 1583 > (I > > think this is their date of martyrdom) is that the > > former were canonized while the names of the > latter, > > the Goan Martyrs, were removed from the list of > those > > Beatified when Jesuits "Rudolf Aquaviva and > > Companions" were beatified. There's no way they > can > > reach the canonization stage and enter into the > > Catholic Calendar of Saints. > > Yes, we Goans had Martyrs too. But unlike the > Martyrs > > of Uganda, Korea, China, Japan, Vietnam, the > > Philippines, Mexico, etc. etc. they are not > destined > > to get the honors of the altar. > > And, no amount of pleading by the Archbishops and > > Bishops of India that Joseph Vaz be canonized for > the > > Jubilee as a symbol of faith and courage under > > persecution needed for today's world got him a > > canonization. > > As Srinivasan so shrewdly pointed out, the saints > that > > Rome wants for India and Indians are still > European. > > It keep us us on our knees, praying for favors > from > > white folks. Rome does not want it known that it > was > > Goan missionaries who built the Church up in India > and > > even other countries like Sri Lanka during the > > difficult, early days, not only Europeans like > Xavier. > > And we have plenty of devoted native clergy and > other > > "devoted laity" who are Oreos, brown on the > outside > > and white on the inside, who maintain this > > indefensible position and won't work to change the > > situation. If they had their way, we would still > be > > teaching our children that the sun goes around the > > earth as the Church and the Bible said and we'd be > > sending Galileo to hell! > > Filomena > > > > > > > > > > --- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Filomena Giese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Most people don't question miracles or the > > > > requirements for official sainthood. It > doesn't > > > > bother them that the process is unfair, > > > > unscientific, or any of that. They see the > > > > situation through the filter created by the > > > > establishment. > > > > > > > > > The question I have is, do we really need > 'official' > > > saints? What seems to be the problem here? Is > God > > > getting more prayers than s/he can handle? Does > God > > > need 'official' assistants to handle all the > volume? > > > > > > And if that is the case, are the chances of > getting > > > my > > > prayers heard better if I pray to a popular > saint > > > (who > > > has to be well organised) or will the prayers be > > > processed faster if they are to an obscure saint > who > > > does not have a large workload :-) > > > > > > Personally, I favour praying directly to God. > > > However, > > > those who need a good intermediary, let me let > you > > > onto a little secret. Try using the following > > > (official) Ugandan's. I heard they have almost > the > > > same powers as other saints. > > > ---------------- > > > Uganda's Martyrs > > > Martyr's Name Birthplace Clan Religion > MARTYRED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > > > > > > > > ########################################################################## > > > # Send submissions for Goanet to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > # > > > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to > Goa), > > > and avoid top-posts # > > > # More details on Goanet at > > > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > > > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > > > reflect respect to others # > > > > > > ########################################################################## > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! 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