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Dear Goanetters, The important issue about a debate on the Goanet should never be the debaters or their origin. The issue is the SUBJECT of the debate. As per the Goanet rules, the discussion should be either Goa* related ...or out. [* CONDITIONS APPLY. Charter flight fares are 'Goa-related' as the destination is Goa. Kerry v/s Bush debate is 'Goa related' as there are Goan adults with possible voting rights in USA. Karnataka Rajyotsav can been discussed as Samir lives in Bangalore and espouses legalization of prostitution in Goa from there ,etc,etc ;-( .] .................................................... Vidyadhar Gadgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote [Should] any additional weightage whatsoever should be given to the > arguments of the party that is 'Goan'? > Cecil wrote:> > This is GoaNet so naturally being Goan is in one's favour. Or isn't it? -- > Question everything - Karl Marx Fred wrote earlier: > * The concept of being "Goan" is quite problematic, considering that what > is "Goan" is defined by (accident of) Portuguese conquest. > In Goa, we don't accept the poor migrant, but a Pratapsing Rane whose > family migrated from Rajputana land after the Portuguese, or a little > earlier, gets prompt acceptance as one of Goa's longest serving CMs. > * Since we all do not believe that man originated in Goa, it is obvious > that all of us migrated *into* Goa at some point of time. I don't subscribe to the view that those > controlling the comunidades in Goa were necessarily the *earliest > settlers* of these respective areas. The most dominant at one point of > time? Probably. > > These comments reflect my personal biases, and are not intended to pretend > to be the opinions of the Goanet Admin Team. > > I quite respect Helga and her forward-looking point of view, and she has > questioned Gadgil's interpretation of her comments. More so, when the debate was about the US Presidential elections. (Even if the debate was about Goa, the test would be who is more logical, and not > the background of the discussant.) For example, a Philip Thomas can and is > adding a lot of value to our debates, while a number of us so-called blue > blooded sons of the red soil of Goa continue to talk crap. > FN ......................................... Being Goan* [wrt the topic] should be in one's favour,shouldn't it? However, who constitutes a GOAN is itself debatable.;-)) and I am not in sync with what Fred wrote, either: * Unlike what Fred likes to believe, the Portuguese did not come to Goa [Gopakkapatna or Ilha de Goa ,actually] by 'accident': they were 'INVITED' to capture Goa by Admiral Thimmaiah[ or Timmayya or Tammaji Appa] of the Vijaynagar Kingdom. This is part of the official history books in post-Liberation Goa. *A migrant is not a 'Goan' just as a Goan who has migrated to Canada is not a Canadian or to UK is not a Brit. His or her GOA-BORN child is a native Goan. That is what the dictionary--and the law--says in most cases. As far as I know, Pratapsingh Rane was born in Goa and to Goan parents.No one knows where our ancestors came from. The "mesticos" and the "decendents" and children of Rusian, Armenian, German, etc parentage are also called Goans if they are Goa born. I have had them as childhood friends and acquaintances. e.g. Lucio Miranda's wife is a German but can anyone think of Ashok, Arun or Rahul as non-Goans...or even as mesticos? *Ask Vincente Correia Afonso what he has to say on this subject. Was Eden in Aden or in Europe? It could very well have been in Goa.Perhaps man evolved from Chimpanzees in Gondwana land while it was a part of Africa.....before it shifted on the tectonic plates and became the Indian peninsula. the site of evolution could be Goa, a part of GONDWANA LAND. I am not with you in the exclusion of this possibility. * Communidades [ and the Gaunkari or Gaokari before them] are the associations of adult MALE descendents of MALE members of the landed class in Goa[ Something like the bhumihars of UP and Bihar]. That is not to say that they settled in Goa without their women[who technically are not 'gaokars'] OR THE SONS OF THEIR DAUGHTERS[ who are also non-Gaokars] e.g. My sons are gaunkars, but my sisters' sons are not...because my sisters are not gaunkars although their [and my] father was a gaunkar. The gaunkari or joneiro is a patrilineal male line only, Like it or lump it. That's it. *The sad episode of the unwarranted attack on Tariq would not have come about if the Goanet had stuck to its rules...and not got Kerried away into the bush ......by the Yankee doodle dandies.;-( *There are no BLUE blooded Goans. One must have red blood like human beings to qualify as a 'Goan' who is alive. Cold blooded animals are also excluded from this group. Hence, those with blue blood are either NOT Goans...or DEAD Goans[ the mortuary makes the blood turn blue.]. PLEASE EXCLUDE ME FROM THIS GROUP.....I AM ALIVE ! Viva Goa. Miguel
