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Dear Goanetters,
Of the 7000 odd members of Goanet, we find only handful of writers who write frequently and its always a pleasure to read the articles, well sometimes we do not agree to all that is written, and hence sometimes the silent ones try to pin point these errors or faults, but still most avoid writing but prefer reading due to fear of this criticism. But I believe all have a wish of writing their opinions and the readers have every right to correct them, but not criticize them.
My point was regarding the Apollo Victors plans of opening the Nursing college for women, but I find that Eddie did not like my opinion. He showed his dislike by his last sentence where by he is asking me if I am a Goan “ 5. Where does Jerry live? If it is outside Goa, does he accept
discrimination basted ethnicity?” and again another sentence by him writing in Freds response “My basic question remains - Why do some Goans, particularly the out of State
ones, believe in Goa for the Goans?”
Well I posted my article, I had no idea that it mattered whether I was in Goa or elsewhere, but I still stay firm to my opinion, that first preference should be given to Goans, and that too without taking any donations which is the trend now a days in most established institutions which I find many Goans find difficult due to the bad pay scale in Goa. Only those with fat bank balance can do that especially those earning salaries in other currencies. Coming to the question posed by Eddie, that in UK, they take any nationality in their instutions, it has been explained by Fred in a better way, but from my friends personal experience who went to USA for education, I would like to add, that he had to show the statement of account from the bank, and which had to be big, and than paying all the other expences plus going for the visa was not an easy task, so its possible only for those with money, well that was for USA, don’t know if its free in UK which Eddie can explain much better.
We Goans have practically become nomads, hunting for jobs which will better our situations. With jobs being scarce and non of our leaders having tried to bring in industries, our Goans have been moving out of Goa and many have flourished there. As can be seen, most Goans have opted only for three professions, Commerce, Arts or Science. There have been many other options too but few took their chances, and now are holding good positions. Once Goa was famous for its teachers, hence one finds teachers all over India, and other parts too, but unfortunately that too has come almost to an end. Computers came and went, and Goa stood no where, now the in thing is the nursing profession, and luckily for us Apollo Victor is planning to open a Nursing college, and we have to see that its Goans who get the preference, where by one need not go to kerela for bringing nurses in Goa. Basically, Goa has become a tourist centered place where by the money inflow is tourism. Where the income vanishes no one knows, how many Goans get to feed themselves? Now UK is outsourcing patients to India, so Goa can be a main center with more hospitals, and trained nurses. Soon many other countries may start outsourcing patients to our Goa, which will be a place for fun as well as health destination of India. One of the point which Eddie brought forth is worth mentioning, that it should not only be females but also males who get to be trained as nurses.
Well Eddie, I am a Goan, from Aldona, and I work in Saudi. I am not a citizen of Saudi Arabia, but am a resident of Aldona, and I am happy about it. I speak konkani at home, and I can read and write konkani, the bardez accent. I have also read various konkani books by writers like Reginald, Boniventure, and many others. Once I leave Saudi Arabia, I will be back in Aldona and may be not have the opportunity to read you or many others on Goanet, as I wont have the access to Internet or maybe, I might.
Cheers
Jerry Fernandes
Message: 1 From: "Eddie Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet]Apollo Victor plans medical, nursing college for women Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:31:07 -0000 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fred,
Granted that your views are not as extreme as the far right, they are nevertheless off-centre from where I stand. Indian students unable to get places in educational institutes of their choice are heading to overseas institutions and they are getting priority in admission because they bring higher fees. The local students are unhappy that their higher grades are not getting them places.
The point I am making here is that there are a great many market forces in operation. When out-of-state students come to Goa they are fuelling the local economy. Some of them are likely to choose to stay in Goa.
Also, large numbers of Goan students will be found in other parts of India and other parts of the world.
With regard to nursing, the students are going to be bringing considerable benefits in much needed womanpower. It is the local population who will benefit.
My basic question remains - Why do some Goans, particularly the out of State ones, believe in Goa for the Goans?
Cheers
Eddie Fernandes ============================================
----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Noronha(FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Apollo Victor plans medical, nursing college for women
Eddie, I am not one of the 'Goa for Goans' votaries, nor one of those who subscribes to the use of various labels such as 'Goans First' or 'Hit Rakhan'. Yet, at the same time, a non-colonial pattern of development should also not overlook local requirements and local requirements.
Unfortunately, this is just what has been happening to Goa, both pre-1961 and post-1961. In pre-1961 Goa, it was a tiny elite that benefited; the masses simply out-migrated. In the later case, it has been due to a set of complex reasons, which go beyond that what can be explained by simplistic emotional arguments. For instance, corruption among Goa's leadership, the lack of a sufficiently strong media or enough whistle-blowing citizens to keep this in check, a pattern of 'national' development in India where elites of all backgrounds benefit while the commonman gets neglected if not impovershed, the deep divisions between different segments of Goans, the power of lobbies and vested interests and much more.
The difference between education in the UK and that in India is that the latter is (still largely) very highly subsidised. For a rough example, pre-primary play school fees (privatised) in Goa cost Rs 250 to 500 per month, school education costs Rs 10 to 30 per month (in state-funded schools, quite a few of which rate from fair to good standards), while college education in (again state-funded) non-professional colleges could cost Rs 1000 per year! In the UK, I guess, each of the foreign student pays for his or her tuition. So every addition student is business coming in! Engineering education in Goa costs Rs 2-4000 per month. Still there is a huge demand for it; even though the number of engineering seats has been increased manifold in recent years in Goa itself.
In the case of India, privatised, non-subsidised and fee-based education is coming in, in a big way. Yet, even in examples like BITS-Pilani's campus in Zuarinagar (which comes from the same business-house as Zuari Agro Chemicals, one branch of the Birlas) questions could be asked as to what Goa benefits from siting the venture in this state, how many local students get admission, etc. India being a federal structure, with different groups lobbying for the often-scarce 'benefits of development', such issues do come up.
The Porvorim catering example is an extreme one, as it is a Central (federal-run) institution situated in Goa. In exchange for such institutions, students from Goa get a quota of seats in other professional colleges elsewhere in India. These are in colleges like agriculture, engineering, etc. But there's a problem here: very few students are capable of taking advantage of such seats. In case there is no transparency in the process of allocating of such seats, the system could get further vitiated. Also, in a state which has such a high degree of migration -- both out-migration and in-migration -- not everyone who considers himself/herself Goan and deserves a seat is able to confirm to domicile laws and claim one.
The issue of 'getting a nurse in Goa' is one related to the supply-side the job market. Those involved in this debate are looking at the demand-side of education market. Of course, these two sectors are connected. But how you see it depends whether you're the parent of a kid growing up in Goa, or someone who felt/feels the need for services that take care of the elderly. Of course, one could fit in both the categories. So far, on the Goanet debate side, we haven't seen evidence of anyone falling in both categories ;-) FN
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Eddie Fernandes wrote:
1. I do not understand why the Nursing College in Goa would be a good idea ONLY if it attracted local candidates.
2. Some of those who qualify would hopefully choose to stay in Goa and provide a valuable service. For many years now there has been a grave shortage of nurses in Goa. Getting a nurse to look after the elderly is virtually impossible in Goa and the preferred option is to engage staff from Kerala This means making a personal trip to collect the nurse and the period of employment is limited to 6 months max.
3. It would be a shame if entry to the Nursing College was restricted to females. I think male nurses are accepted all over the world.
4. Is it being suggested that the Food Craft Institute should close because most of the students are non-Goans? Here in the UK the majority of students in medical colleges are Asians. Is that an acceptable reason for closing them?
5. Where does Jerry live? If it is outside Goa, does he accept discrimination basted ethnicity?
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