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--- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Israel doesn't claim all of Palestine as a "historical
> right", so this whole line of reasoning is bogus.
> They accepted a small slice in 1947 as part of the UN
> attempt to provide them with a homeland after the
> Holocaust.
Perhaps you were never aware of David Ben-Gurion. In 1918 Ben-Gurion described
the
future "Jewish state's" frontiers in details as follows:
"to the north, the Litani river [in southern Lebanon], to the northeast, the
Wadi
'Owja, twenty miles south of Damascus; the southern border will be mobile and
pushed
into Sinai at least up to Wadi al-'Arish; and to the east, the Syrian Desert,
including the furthest edge of Transjordan"
(Expulsion of the Palestinians by Nur Masalha)
Or perhaps you were not aware of when he wrote:
"The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan. One
does
not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the
boundaries fixed today--but the boundaries of the Zionist aspirations are the
concern of the
Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them."
(The Birth of Israel: Myths and Realities by Simha Flapan)
As for the partition of Palestine. Let us see what Menachim Begin, later to
become
Prime Minister of Israel said:
"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized ....
Jerusalem
was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the
people of
Israel. All of it. And for Ever." (The Iron Wall by Avi Shlaim)
>
> Aren't you even aware that Jews and Muslims inhabited
> Palestine since the Old Testament days and both trace
> their origins to Abraham? The European Jews who had
> survived the Nazis then fled to Israel during and
> after WW-II. So, what is this nonsense about ALL the
> Israelis being Europeans? Your example of placing
> Israel in Uganda is also bogus, because, unlike
> Palestine, Uganda had no ties to Jews in any way,
> shape or form.
You are correct, all the Israels are not Ashkenazi or European Jews. Some of
them
are Sephardic Jews. But neither of them lived in Palestine in any significant
minority. At the turn of the century there were estimated to be only 70,000
Jews in
Palestine. Due to immigration from Europe, these numbers swelled to 806,000 by
the
end of
WWII. So Tim is correct.
As for Tim's remarks on Uganda, they cannot be claimed as "bogus" since there
was a
plan to settle Jews in Uganda. Efforts were also made to settle Jews in Iraq,
Libya,
Argentina and the Jewish Autonomous Republic in the USSR. None were accepted by
the
European Jews, who preferred Palestine.
-Tariq
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